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from 1998 to early 2000 i was invested with a short seller with an amazing trackrecord in the nineties. he had an annual return of around 15% with a volatility slightly above that, leaving him with a modified sharpe ratio of somehow below 1. we could not find anyone coming near to that. as far...

agreed. but i strongly believe that trading systems are hard to find for shorts. know how from the long side does not necessarily make it easier.

sorry if i say something already covered within this thread, but does the concept not suffer from the problems all martingales contain, namely that in the end it can only work with unlimited capital, otherwise you go bust for sure?

the funny thing to me is that even in futures, where you are not punished for shorts in terms of higher transaction cost and in a bear market it still seems to be easier to do longs, at least systematically. i believe it is both probability and size of loss that make shorts tough.

statistics ar noew pretty valid. it looks like most people find longs easier. this might be due to the fact that people remember recent past better and we had(ve) that rally. i find the best systematic approach for shorts currently in combining distance to a moving average with volume and an...

it is especially runups like recently that make systematic shorts hard to find. i found that all common sense issues, like drying out volume in a rally or things of that kind, simply do not work. at least not systemised.

i agree completely. i would find it ideal to make the same with longs as with shorts. would be the best insurance against market changes. i admire shorters. i think shorting is even more difficult than scalping (i admire scalpers as well :))

my explanation for the fact that lng is easier than short is not so much drift oriented but moreover psychological. i think greed or hope are more difficult to predict thing than fear.

cdbern thanks for the link! i will check it out. the poll moves now more to the area i expected.

on a systematic basis i found that patterns for shorts have to be significantly more complex than for longs. the mirror concept usually does not work at all.

just bumped into this thread - can't help saying it: you all are wasting time.

no turtle trader i know ever succeeded in testing single stocks.

formika i respect your points. current status of the poll is pretty amazing to me. would not have thought there are so many making money in shorts.

i've been trying to find some short strategy on us stocks, but failed so far. i find reasonable patterns for longs, but hardly anything useful for the shorts. my question: what is your percentage of shorts as a share of overall profits? (assuming you make profits :))

i heard some statements on russia and the attempts of putin to create pretty concentrated power. actually there is always trouble ... that's life peace

that this is a very exciting time for investment and trading. stock extreme interest rate extreme vola extreme dollar extreme yen extreme us fighting china booming euroland arguing and uniting russia stranging media proclaiming new constant growth there is a lot of money to...

I am not american and i deeply admire this spirit. and I am glad and sad at the same time that i am unwilling and unable to join it. peace

dear maureen please continue. please. peace

Y O U A L L A R E I D I O T S . T I M E W A S T I N G I D I O T S . I D I O T S . I D I O T S .

pathetic waste of time is still ... waste of time.