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Well, Their "peers" are pretty much in line right? :)

What! My application to buy a $100M shopping center for $9.95 down was just waiting for their approval. :D

:eek: NEW off another 27%...

I had a similar experience in Indonesia -- where they don't allow any Israelis. I walked into a gift shop and started chatting with the clerk -- who spoke English. Turned out he was studying to be a Muslim cleric. He asked me what religion I was -- typical Jewish features here -- so I responded...

Happening here as well. Glad to hear my account hasn't been hacked -- yet. ;(

It will be a month or so before he posts his results but I am quite curious to see how he fares through this one. He is certainly the old hand at this game.

Here's a quote from that report. In 1999, a family of four with average health costs spent $7,016 for their own health expenses and premiums (including what their employer paid). In addition, they paid $10,416 in health care taxes; $1,578 for tax subsidies, $943 for government workers’...

No, I'm sorry I just don't see that at all. The most recent head of the Senate's brother runs one of the largest HMO's. The president refuses to allow negotiations by the government on prescription prices nor does he allow drugs to be imported. He tries to stop stem cell research -- which...

Actually, I agree with this point. A documented guest worker program is a good idea. Now try getting the corporate interests to support it. :mad: My point, which I felt you were ignoring, was the economy as it's set up now won't run without them. Of course, this will mean higher prices for...

1. You just don't want to see it. But I'll say it again. You are already paying for all these so called "compassionate" costs. The bureaucracy you decry already exists... 2. What part of 60% of the health care system is supported by the federal government don't you understand. Think about it...

OK, Trading done for the day. :) If you live here you know how much of the CA economy depends on illegal immigrant labor.

Thanks... A lot of that is unrelated to this week's events. I wonder how the pricing has shifted this week? ;)

Can you post a link?

Actually, I addressed your points. :) But once again: 1.You are already paying for the uninsured. They go to the hospital they get treated for free. As I mentioned this has been shown to cost more than offering preventative care up front -- aka universal healthcare. That addresses...

Gold is seeing it...Oil is not.

It's a bit disingenuous to decry the very programs that subsidize your "great healthcare." Personally, I don't think there is an option other than a universal system. When Medicare blows you won't be able to afford the health care you love so much now. And to reiterate, we already subsidize...

Here's a couple of examples of how universal insurance improves health: 1. Lower incidence of communicable diseases. 2. More productive society as people end up being sick less frequently. With respect to negotiating, it's always a question of whether or not the politicians overtake...

Well, We've been through this, your "private sector" health care is already hugely subsidized by the government --just not well regulated unfortunately. The cost of your medical care is subsidized. Your medicines are developed through tax credits and research grants. You seem to have some...

Complicated stuff: Looks like fun. 1. The reason we don't have third world health problems is because we have an efficient public health system that will treat anyone that shows up at an emergency room. That's exactly my point. The government already pays -- and won't be able to afford to...

Um... The old and poor are the people that paid their entire lives into SS and Medicare to have it blow up on them at the end of their lives when they need it. Are you sure you've actually thought -- like sat down and really considered -- this issue and what you are proposing?