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You are speaking of making compromises in the diet/plan to overcome the foibles of the person. If that what it takes then so be it. It's better than no change at all I suppose. How much better, will it be enough? Well that's open to question. I am speaking to adopting the best possible...

What's your point?

Yes, smoking is a factor but will quitting alone reverse heart disease allowing triple bypass patients to cancel their surgery? This was the question, can you read? I'm talking specific physical and clinical effects, you're talking general admonitions. Please add me to your ignore list. You...

Of course quitting smoking is good for you. So what??

Critically ill patients get better, you have a problem with that. LMAO!

When all variables are present the results are valid and forthcoming. Do the program in it's entirety. Speaking of unknown variables , your personal diet collage that you've culled from varied sources constitute many more variables than Ornish by a mile. Your diet is completely untested and...

It's all about calories franklin. There is no magic or free lunch.

Randy, No one can argue with the science behind Dean Ornish plan unless looking foolish is your thing. Kind of amusing listening to the few here who seem to have an axe to grind against Ornish. Ironic they have concocted their own personal version of one or another of the popular diets...

Ah yes Atkins could teach Dean a thing or two about research :p

Thank you but I've read the entire thread.

You're right it was easy to find flaws in your reasoning and facts. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAN ORNISH Having seen what a powerful difference changes in diet and lifestyle can make, I am concerned that BAM readers...

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What's your point?

To answer your question : I am stating emphatically (not implying) that guns are designed to kill people, innocent or otherwise. Killing is the intention, the goal. Yes, cars take innocent lives, but so do balconies, jet airplanes and small pox vacinations, but that is an unfortunate but...