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Hey Barth Our discussion was not about what your faith means to you. As far as I am concerned that is a personal matter and as such is entirely your own business. I have never criticized you or anyone for wanting to have religious belief. In that regard I am happy to be at stalemate. Of...

I know what you mean. There are similar huge implications for finding Martians. Probably dressed up well enough in a bunch of pseudo-science that idea could still sell a few books, if it can find its way somehow into a newspaper's column.

You'd think Creationists would at least get the facts straight so they could distort them properly.

Is it any wonder I see religion in every corner when you mention religion in every corner. One minute you're saying your religious belief in God is why you believe abortion is homicide. So is that homicide wrong? The next minute you 're saying that homicide should be allowed...

Well, the same can be said about anything. Words are cheap. You've just proved it yet again. Majority of people say they are religious and a majority are Christian. Then most abortions are undertaken by consenting religious Christians. So no doubt in your own lack of wisdom, you'd trust...

Nevertheless it is reasonable to expect that deeply held superstitious belief will strongly influence what you do say.

Hi Barth, Yes that's what I mean. The Doc stated openly he couldn't care less. In comparison you have in effect done the same , but dishonestly. That is my argument. Like the Doc, you are submitting nothing which directly furthers the abortion debate or helps understanding of the girl's...

I think you made yourself perfectly clear Barth. You expressed how, when a cheesy sycophantic superstition with all its self-assuring sanctimonious emotionality is mixed with another person's suffering, everything can be so easily and conveniently assumed to be dealt with by some...

If in response to the horrific fact the Roman Catholic Church as a body is running a systemic global sex abuse child raping pedophile ring, and all you can do as a Catholic is to ... patronizingly suggest it's the fault of some bad homosexual priests. Say you might have to hold back on the...

you haven't ?.... oh , so you have. That type of logical thinking must be the reason you are "no longer a lawyer", but are a proficient Catholic. You think me a zealot..then start another thread. Ask yourself first , why are you trying to project your own misdirection ...

Your own Catholic Church has been caught practicing and then covering up child abuse atrocities on a global scale and you think I should be accusing other Christians !!? To compound this disgrace, you and your Catholic brethren utter in the face of these monstrous offences by their...

Your Catholic priests raped children, your Catholic Church covered it up, You are a Catholic. Are you suggesting no one should have the zeal to point that out. Face it, you're a lot nearer to Catholic pedophilia than I am to being a zealot. Perhaps you should seriously get to terms with...

The establishment which you are a willing member and participant has been found covering up decades of monstrous acts of rape and abuse against minors entrusted to its care. As to why I would react to that, irrespective of the word God or the fact that the Catholic Church is itself...

God is then, by definition, atheist.

Why? Why have you, as usual, jumped off the deep end just because I have said something which is obviously the case, based on what you already stated? There is no way I would knowingly be a part of any organization which itself as a body , was complicit in crime, especially crimes...

No one needs to believe or take in Jesus’ words seriously, or otherwise, to do what's right. Taking in Jesus’ words seriously as a Catholic however, does associate you with a worldwide pedophilia ring whether you choose it or not.

Your level of comprehension is appalling. My point is perfectly clear. It doesn't matter why you go into that organization called the Catholic Church, after which it has committed such horrendous crimes. The thing is you are still going in. That you only go there because you like...

Thanks for explaining those points. This is like being an unwitting member of a massively wealthy, well established, organized worldwide pedophilia ring, and on finding out , deciding to withhold a few bucks in membership fee because as a Catholic you want to carry on practicing a bizarre...

As a Catholic you will now always be a member of a Church and an organization which at it's very heart was condoning pedophilia and hiding the practice of international child sex abuse by its hierarchy. God or no God in my view no decent person would want to be associated in any way with that.

That's exactly what the Vatican said in reply to peoples' arguments for something to be done against catholic child abuse cover ups. Although they may have taken to trouble to learn how to say you're