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And how is obamacare more effective or better than expanding medicaid, which already exists, and we already pay taxes for? back in circles to my original question, what is the specific purpose of obamacare? and by the way out of that 50 mil, how many can afford insurance but don't WANT it...

i meant the public option, as stated in my previous post.

I've heard that before, i just posed the question wrong. I know and you know that this was done, in an extremely partisan and dirty way, to grant the govt more power. i just been drinking since about 11am or so...

unacceptable to you maybe (exaggerated #) You're just not reading my posts bud. Why didn't they pass the single payer plan with full control of the law passing bodies of govt? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF OBAMACARE? Seriously I just can't see one. I also can't respond to any more partisan bs...

because they either disagreed that it needs to be fixed or didn't see the public option as the answer. How does deflecting the question = an answer. The dems had full control of the house, senate and presidency and could have passed any law that they wished.. why didn't THEY pass the public...

then why not reform medicaid? what is the purpose of obamacare, i simply don't 'get' it? This is a power grab, passed overnight on Christmas eve, it was established for eventual control of the healthcare sector, no doubt about it. If the govt simply wanted everyone insured, they could have...

exactly. health care is already provided to EVERYONE, what is the point of paying for hc insurance?

Truck driver, it is u who isn't too bright. That is why we have medicaid/medicare. healthcare insurance only exists because of the providers, you don't think they know how determine what is optimal? Now we have a system where they are either going to raise premiums on everyone, or the...

You never have a clue how things work do you? Health insurance premiums, like all insurance, relies on stats that they won't ever have to pay out more than they take in.. it is a genius idea. It won't fucking work, or be less effective if they have to incorporate the chronic/terminally ill...

I don't even know what you're trying to say.. no idea. How is medicaid nothing?

Then why not reform medicaid? I'm totally serious, wtf is the point of obamacare?

Which is the point of medicaid, no? What IS the purpose of obamacare, in practice we already had universal healthcare.

If that quote is accurate, then yea that is exactly what he's saying. How that makes sense, i have no idea.

I don't know where you're getting that from, but it really doesn't make any sense.. you are not required to buy cigarettes. The purpose of a tax is to raise rev, not provide incentives to behave a certain way. regardless this is an ultimatum not a tax, we are being forced to purchase health...

Also known as an ultimatum

The 'free' healthcare aside, I'm with you. The pros of a simple consumption tax outweigh the cons by an obscene margin.

It was, along with the cut in entitlements in the two CA districts.. but overall we are losing and the ground we give has an increasingly diminishing chance of being retaken.

AAA didn't this really all start with SS? I mean today's ruling brings it to another level but how is this any different as a tax than SS. We are forced to buy SS through taxes, now we are forced to buy healthcare through taxes. Of course with Roberts ruling what is to stop congress from...

I don't even get what it is yet. We already have medicaid/medicare taxes, so why not just raise those? If you are poor and qualify for medicaid aren't we already paying for your healthcare? I just don't see what the purpose of this mandate/tax even is, to me it appears nothing more than a...

already 3 deep. i'm done trading for the day.. aside from earnings i have been doing extremely shitty since i started back up. I don't know how your doing well but congrats dude, daytrading seems way harder now compared to when i started.