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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    I think you are mistaking my placing of an argument, as your post above appears so to do, with those who just childishly make snarky remarks against it alone. Strange you should think my responding to illogical and faulty assertions is being partial and ignoring one side of the argument...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Innocent victim, what the hell are you talking about, and no, why should I believe such tripe. No comeback...? obviously then, a reasoned response is not something you consider as a comeback. In reciprocation I'll give one answer to your one question : There is no sensible reason to...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Don't kid yourself Jem, from the things you write it's doubtful you could point out your own ass. You're a theist, blindly submissively witlessly accepting extortionate claims of faith having no basis in reality, which is all that is needed to be a theist. You're a birther, rejecting the...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    No they are not the same. Yours is unsolicited sniping in discussions that you aren't actively involved in. Now it's selectively dissecting my posts in reply to ZZzz's slinging, is just essentially you doing more of the same. You ignore all the flaws on one side just to make snide remarks...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    You weren't asked to give examples of faith and fact. The point being made was that you will blindly accept one thing with no evidence, no proof whatsoever, then reject another as a birther, that has proof, has bona fide legal evidence in the form of an official state certified birth...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    What, returning my serve after I only returned one of yours? yea ...whatever. I'm happy to seriously, honestly, and openly discuss the issues. But your track record being one of the most atrocious on ET against reasonable discussion, suggests it's not something you appear to be capable of...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    What's your point? Parsing out my responses to OptionalZZzzz revilements against me, is nothing different from the sniping I'm saying is all you're indulging in anyway.
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    No substance so you get all ad hom and personal. Par for the course
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    The thread wasn't morphed into to God and faith, but merely used the whole subject of religion in one straightforward comparison. Then you of course had to go ballistic and jump in with both feet going totally off topic spouting about your faith and Jesus. You could have just explained...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Yea well you are bloody silly. I can't help the skewed and limited simplistic turnip thinking religion has evidently lumbered you with. That's your problem.
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Well if 100% accuracy in name calling isn't required what was so wrong with klannish, or maybe spelt clannish, as a general metaphorical description for you. That's the thing. You have no real point to make but rather just blindly fall in with someone on a god slant, regardless of bothering...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    ah wrong labeling then , like what OptTrolzz does a lot of.... right so how about ... groupies.
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Now it's starting to get ...what's the word...ah yes...klannish. You three defenders of a faith should get a room.
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    The question was how did this thread morph.... not who brought God and faith into the thread. Free Thinker gave a reasonable comparison of how you will blindly accept no proof for one thing then demand absolute proof for another. Your post was a good example of how zany you get as a birther...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    It makes no difference what label you want to apply to holding no faith, whether it's agnostic or atheist or whatever , holding no faith does not require holding faith for another thing. People who do not have faith in God do not have to have faith in what you call no God. Your assertion that...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    A human being with a fully developed mind, has the capacity for faith, and decides to hold a faith that there is no God. Anyone who makes a decision to hold belief in God, or hold non belief in God, is practicing faith. That's what to believe is. Holding no faith for one thing , does not...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Seems a birther deemed it relevant to drag up their belief in the mythical Jesus which of course has no HI cert anyway , against a real President with a HI cert. Mabe the bewilderment attracts them like rabbits to headlamps. Hope that helps.
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    You have the capacity to believe in God. You make a decision not to believe in God. You therefore, since you don't have knowledge of God not actually existing, you hold a belief, practice a faith. So now, no faith is a faith and not practicing faith is practicing faith. In your weird world...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Your response? "I have faith there is no God." You can keep putting words in my mouth as much as you want, but it won't change the fact one iota that your absurdly ridiculous assertion 'no faith is faith' is exactly just that. Absurdly ridiculous. Faith allows doubt, just as courage...
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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

    Of course it was shown you were lying. You do not quote accurately. You quote selectively, misleadingly, with untruthfulness and purposefully to deceive. Then you don't face the responses, but rather post again and again, repeating the same dishonesty. and in doing so, claim to have destroyed...
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