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Damning in what way? That he might be what.... and what politician isn't? Separate point whether he knew or should have known. Doesn't make a birther's assertions any more true.

"The errant Obama biography in the Acton & Dystel booklet does not contradict the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. Moreover, several contemporaneous accounts of Obama’s background describe Obama as having been born in Hawaii." So do you just blank the parts that must 'make it be...

What's with this leftist stuff? Is that like you call me a leftist, so then you're a faggot idea? But you're wrong as usual, I hadn't aimed that at you although if the glove fits. You seem happy bitchin' like a lunatic, but you still can't form or support a rational argument. All you ever...

You'll have to elucidate. Neither make sense so far. The first isn't in English as normally written and the second doesn't question a lack of eligibility due to birth, but is only the latest birther hysterics .

Leftist Lol wtf. So you think I called you a birther. Why because of a post not directed at you? Paranoia you see. That's what happens. You're so quick off the mark, too ready to hurl insults rather than try and rationally support your argument, as if you had one that is.

Never did take long for you to get irrational and nasty when challenged.

Funny. The old... "I'm not a birther but.." birther routine.

You're describing politicians in general. Birthers aren't that. They are usually conspiracy wingnuts with redneck mentality. Don't make the mistake of confusing the two .

That is birtherism. Similarly Romney has never presented any evidence. Because like Obama, there has been no need. Until that is a 'need' is generated by new breed of birthers that believe Romney was born behind some golden plates in Mexico.

Exactly. Birther's are their own worst enemy.

Well it's certainly not that.

May I ask then, would you consider Romney's non-christian faith an issue in the end, enough to sway a close vote, or will people generally consider religion as not all that relevant these days ?

....well that's a plus, at least not some bigoted un-american demagogic yellow back irrational superstitious pussy, like a theist.

Since when did religion become something that doesn't exist. duh

You'll have to do better than that. It's not history that's revisionary. It's religion that is constantly trying to subordinate historical events and in this case fit them to a Christian narrative.

I'm THAT devastating. woo. :D

I wouldn't argue secularism didn't happen within a Christian context Mav, but it's a case of... so? Lots of things happen within lots of different contexts. It's stretching past breaking point to say Christians or even a Christian context gave us secular government. Forced the need for secular...

Since the Enlightenment it has been secular government not Christians that produced livable nations. The myth of religion being eliminated from directly controlling people's lives. Secularism provides freedom from and freedom of religion. Livability despite (Christian) religions, not...

Religion IS a human problem. I would suggest if it was moral motives that moved you to follow a religion , then you already had moral motives. The religion was superfluous. If you cannot hold moral motives for their own sake, then the morality of your motives is in question first, and...

Innocent victims don't have free will. Conditional or limited free will, is not free. So the first 3 words in Genesis represent a lie.