Warmonger Explains War With Iraq To A Peacenik
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It's the ole Monty Python Logic
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq:
he's running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now
I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple
of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health
food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson
is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been
able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to
see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how
devious he is.
As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from
very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I
have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act
first, he'll pick us off one by one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go
to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say
that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.
They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights
and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson
will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr
Patel will be secretly murdering people.
Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of
automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But
until recently that's been a little difficult.
Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I
need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do
whatever I want! That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and
kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson.
Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that
totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before
bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and
that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find
them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr
Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg.
There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and
who - quite frankly -look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe
until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going too
far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of
the United States. That shuts her up. Like Mr Bush, I've run out
of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's
good enough for me.
I'm going to give the whole street two weeks -
no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all
aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar
terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say
'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in
contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
- Has Mr. Johnson tried to murder you or your friends (in our case = Kuwait) before
- Has Mr. Johnson been convicted for attempted murder?
- Is he out on parole?
- Do you have a restraint order against him? (in our case = WMD he was supposed to give up)
- Did Mr. Johnson violate the restraint order? (in our case = did not give up WMD)
If the answer is "yes" to all of the above - shoot the bastard, it is obvious self-defense.
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- Has Mr. Johnson tried to murder you or your friends (in our case = Kuwait) before
- Has Mr. Johnson been convicted for attempted murder?
- Is he out on parole?
- Do you have a restraint order against him? (in our case = WMD he was supposed to give up)
- Did Mr. Johnson violate the restraint order? (in our case = did not give up WMD)
If the answer is "yes" to all of the above - shoot the bastard, it is obvious self-defense.
ahahahaha skeptic, I sure feel threatened by you. You know you have bad evil thoughts. And you have a nice property that you don't deserve to own or manage. Your evil thoughts may very well manifest into actions. It' very possible you can go out there and by a gun and shoot somebody. That is an evil evil thingy for you to do. Ahhhhh I cannot permit this. For the sake of my friends and neighbors, I have to protect them all from you. You are an evildoer and a threat to society. YOU MUST BE ELIMINATED. Court of law you say. Nuuuhhhh they are useless. Soooooooo, I'm coming over to take you out who's gona stop me. I got them tanks you know.
Evildoer, I'm doing our free society a favor.
I will let your children -the ones I don't get to slaughter- manage your property tho, under my supervision of course, and I will rebuild your house after I bulldoze it down.
And we all will be living happily ever after
No hard feelings tho
you hear now?? eheheheTo me having /possessing WMD is not material merely a pretext to bring forth to that farcial body called the UN. How can you take UN when they named Iraq to chair some sub-committee of disarmament and Libya of terrorism?
I think leaders that have exceeded a certain threshold of "kills" need to be disposed of. Men such as Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Milosevic, Karazdzic need to hang in a lamppost for all the world to see. The world is not perfect, there will always be leaders with propensity to dispose of their problems by "whacking" them, but the men mentioned above are a little different judging by the sheer numbers and the manner in which they were carried out. Latin America, Asia had/have their share of despots but humanity has to draw a line when you reach say ....50,000 killed ?
I think leaders that have exceeded a certain threshold of "kills" need to be disposed of. Men such as Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Milosevic, Karazdzic need to hang in a lamppost for all the world to see. The world is not perfect, there will always be leaders with propensity to dispose of their problems by "whacking" them, but the men mentioned above are a little different judging by the sheer numbers and the manner in which they were carried out. Latin America, Asia had/have their share of despots but humanity has to draw a line when you reach say ....50,000 killed ?
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It is very sad that you do not see any distinction between law-abiding me and violent, criminal, convicted felon, parole and restraint order violator Mr. Johnson.
Then again I never credited anti-war movement with a lot of intelligence anyway.
Hey no hard feelings bud. I only want you to declare all your misdeeds and prove your innocence. btw, I AND ONLY I will be the Jury Judge AND Executioner --hehehe I really like the last one you know-- If you don't declare them, then for sure you are a good liar and playing games. As you can see now it's clear you deserve to be exterminated, for the good of my free society and all.
I've seen very good points from both camps concerning the war. There are a lot of people who fully support this war and also many people who totally oppose it.
Perhaps we should look at it in a totally different perspective. Not much unlike the cells in our body, each of us are cells within a larger "collective society" which forms social norms and expectations. Also, not much unlike the cells in our body, none of us know the full ramifications of the situation. The president doesn't, Saddam Hussein doesn't and neither does any other "single person" within the collective.
Now, obviously a heart cell is alive and performs a function that is vital to the entire whole that we call a person. However, the cell cannot understand or realize the greater whole to which it is contributing. Likewise, no one person can understand the situational dynamics that have led up to this war.
So, putting aside our little egos, let's just assume we're all a slave to a much larger operating entity. What we then have is something playing out between two much larger systems that is incomprehensible to any one cell or person (continuing with the analogy).
Now I know this seems really far fetched (and I'm not high right now), but given the fact that no one person who contributes to a larger system can know all parts of that system, perhaps the issue of the legality of this war with respect to the United States is entirely a mute point, since the United States of America is operating under an independent "global consciousness" that is simply using a self-defense reaction from 9/11. Perhaps the 9/11 event set things into motion that are much larger than anyone can truly perceive. If you touch a hot stove, you'll pull away quickly and scream and cuss. But larger systems take much longer to react, adapt and transform.
So in essence, perhaps the United States is merely reacting to a serious incident that occurred over a year and half ago, but since the size and scope is much larger on this level, the entire reverberations of conflict between two larger states will take much longer to play out.
Since the United States of America is still in the primal stages of a self-defense reflex, I doubt that any amount of diplomacy is going to stop the events that have already been set into motion.
America feels highly vulnerable and, based on the components that make up the American society (American people), this entire country, if viewed as a macro-psuedosocial organism, is in a highly anxious state of existence right now.
Perhaps we should look at it in a totally different perspective. Not much unlike the cells in our body, each of us are cells within a larger "collective society" which forms social norms and expectations. Also, not much unlike the cells in our body, none of us know the full ramifications of the situation. The president doesn't, Saddam Hussein doesn't and neither does any other "single person" within the collective.
Now, obviously a heart cell is alive and performs a function that is vital to the entire whole that we call a person. However, the cell cannot understand or realize the greater whole to which it is contributing. Likewise, no one person can understand the situational dynamics that have led up to this war.
So, putting aside our little egos, let's just assume we're all a slave to a much larger operating entity. What we then have is something playing out between two much larger systems that is incomprehensible to any one cell or person (continuing with the analogy).
Now I know this seems really far fetched (and I'm not high right now), but given the fact that no one person who contributes to a larger system can know all parts of that system, perhaps the issue of the legality of this war with respect to the United States is entirely a mute point, since the United States of America is operating under an independent "global consciousness" that is simply using a self-defense reaction from 9/11. Perhaps the 9/11 event set things into motion that are much larger than anyone can truly perceive. If you touch a hot stove, you'll pull away quickly and scream and cuss. But larger systems take much longer to react, adapt and transform.
So in essence, perhaps the United States is merely reacting to a serious incident that occurred over a year and half ago, but since the size and scope is much larger on this level, the entire reverberations of conflict between two larger states will take much longer to play out.
Since the United States of America is still in the primal stages of a self-defense reflex, I doubt that any amount of diplomacy is going to stop the events that have already been set into motion.
America feels highly vulnerable and, based on the components that make up the American society (American people), this entire country, if viewed as a macro-psuedosocial organism, is in a highly anxious state of existence right now.