So you want to be a Stock Trader?

Disillusioned http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1133695#post1133695

Quote from 2manywhiners:

This is a reality check. Log it into your checkbook, and find some satisfaction in knowing that you have been paying your dues. Not sure how long you've been at this, but guess what, you have not failed.

Payed, have you, all of your commissions? And still, after all of this time, have a trading account do you? Already know you, that which you need.

Okay, now that I'm off my Yoda trip, you need to find some satisfaction in knowing that you're not one of the 95%, or whatever it is, that failed at trading. You did not lose. Put that into your mind. Log that into your checkbook. Maybe you're not yet one of the 5%, but you never will be if you keep your current mindset.

"Every battle is won before it is ever fought."

I'm not saying that I drink from the holy cup, by the hand and the grace of God, or any of that Holy Grail bullshit. I don't. But when I started out I wasn't as lucky as you. My account was getting gouged. Bludgeoned to death very quickly. I had to learn, it is Kill or Be Killed.

Trading is simple... That being said... Trading is NOT easy. The winning plan is conviction. It is belief in what you are doing. Adhering to the rules, adhering to your guidelines. Develop a sound trading strategy. Target Profits MUST be larger than losses. If the expected per/trade win percentage is 1:1, then develop a plan that can continue to exist at 1:3. Losses MUST be limited. If your Target Profit for any particular trade is $2.00, and your Stop Loss is $1.00, but your actual Average Winning Trade (over a long period of time) is $0.75, then you are going to, on average, lose money. Trading is a numbers game, and getting the numbers right is half the battle. Over-exposure will kill the new trader. Many new intra-day traders who end up losing are in the market for 7+ hours a day. Why? Do you feel a need to get even with the market after a loss, so you jump right back in? Are you feeling a bit greedy, like you just gotta get that extra $0.05, only to lose $0.15 more? Are you up on the day, but down after commissions? Is that a good reason to jump in head first? Capital Preservation is of the utmost importance. You can NOT make money, if you run out of money. Put Capital Preservation above all else. Period. Risk Management is the name of the game.

Any Ego is too much of one. I am not a winner. I am not a Loser. I am a market participant. I am not winning. I am not losing. I am long. I am short. I am not up. I am not down. I have a vested interest in the market's direction and where it is going. Effective analysis is key, not an under utilization of available resources, not analysis paralysis either. Know what you need to know. Ignore the noise. Trade with the market. Go where the market wants to go. Ride the waves. Don't buy tops. Don't sell bottoms. The most important indicator is, and always will be, Price.

Quit going long during lunch in stocks that consistently chop or go down during that timeframe, even in a Bull market. If you trade intra-day, then trade intra-day. Do not take home a trade that was losing, only to find it gapped down even more overnight. If you have multiple trading time-frames, trade in multiple accounts.

Don't short Oil during a war crisis in the area of the world's largest supply of Oil. Not even if the Bollinger Bands, or the Moving Averages told you to do so. On the flip side, don't go long Oil after reaching historic highs during an oil crisis. It may go higher, it may not, but if it is not a trading vehicle that you specialize in, fight the urge and avoid it. Trust me, Cramer was not the first to coin the phrase "Pigs Get Slaughtered." Don't trade on fundamentals alone, if you are a short-term trader. Don't go long just because a moving average made a cross-over, it is a lagging indicator which means it has no bearing on future direction. Look at the orders, look at the ticks, look at the charts, look at the buyers:sellers, look at the market advances:declines, look at the corresponding exchange's direction, look at the sector's direction, how weighted is it in its corresponding ETF? What is that fund doing? Read its news, what is the sector news? What are its relatives and what are they doing? Have you found a better prospect yet? Collectively, what has all of this information told you? Go Long? Go Short? Avoid it altogether?

Like I said, Trading is NOT easy. But that doesn't mean that it can't be simple. In my opinion the most valuable indicators are not the ones on the price charts, they are all of the independent variables that come together to form a matrix around each trade. Look at all of the variables surrounding the trade, when a large percentage of these indicators match what the price chart is telling you, pull the trigger and make the trade.

Really, it's all only as simple as you make it. You break one rule, and you will lose clarity. You break a few, and those very same rules will end up breaking you.
 
Disillusioned http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1137063#post1137063

Quote from 2manywhiners:

Pretty good posts indeed. I agree there is no Holy Grail, or at least it's not a Trading System with specific rules that any TooL could follow. Good Money Management should be common sense for traders, but far too often it isn't. So, I just wanted to point out a few things my earlier post didn't mention.

I am not worried about money while I trade. I trade like it's a game. Some times I win, sometimes I lose, but you can never be in a trade because you need the money. That's when people start trying to will the market to do things that it just refuses to do. I have had some pretty good trading days, only to find out at the end of the day that I was down $50. "Oh well, I followed the rules and it should have been worse." I have had days where I thought I had traded terribly and assumed I'd lost $$$ only to later find out I was up $50. "Damn, if I had followed the rules this could have been a good day." Look at it this way, Surgeons are not thinking about how much money they are making while they conduct a procedure, they're concentrating on making sure the surgery goes as planned and they stay prepared in case it doesn't. They're not worried about money while they work, so why should you?

Another big thing you have to understand in order to make it in trading is Personal Finance. Many good traders have run out of capital in a matter of months, because they didn't have their own personal finances in order. Just because you made $15,000 in May, does not mean you should go and buy a $1M house. Sure, you could have afforded the mortgage payment in May, but you have to be prepared not only to not turn profits in June, July, and August, but you have to be prepared to lose February, March, and April's profits too. It's hopefully just a worse case scenario, but how many times has the Dealer in our lives dealt us the wrong hands at the wrong times?

I try to live of of 1/4 of what I gross, so my goal for the first week of every month is to make enough to pay the bills (Even after taking the summer off from trading, I've still got my living expenses covered through the end of 2006) After making what I need to survive on, everything else is relatively stress free. If I have a down month, I tighten up spending significantly, I don't put it off until later down the road, because later down the road might be even worse than the current bad month. On the flip, I bank every bit of the excess $$$ from really strong months. I don't go and blow a bunch of money on stuff I wouldn't have been able to afford in a normal month.

Unfortunately a lot of traders don't understand these things, and when I am telling someone that they just don't "Get It", I'm not referring to how they have or haven't been trading, I'm referring to the whole picture of trading that they just don't see. This is the Sistine Chapel, and many of the people looking at the Art of Trading think they can "see it all" in just one painting in a hallway, and they never look for anything else. "I saw a brochure, I know all about it." I still haven't seen all of the art, and I really don't think very many ever have seen it all, but that doesn't mean I should quit searching.
 
Disillusioned http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1241689#post1241689

Quote from 2manywhiners:

First of all, if you're a new intra-day trader, this is probably the most important part of the entire post...

"Trading is a numbers game, and getting the numbers right is half the battle. Over-exposure will kill the new trader. Many new intra-day traders who end up losing are in the market for 7+ hours a day. Why?"

In my opinion, lagging indicators are the devil's little secret of the brokerage industry. They're simple and they lull new traders into a false sense of security. They tell traders one of two things, when the indicator does this then that means buy, or when it does that then it means sell. If you're planning on trading over long time periods (days and weeks) or investing, then lagging indicators could help... however if you're trading inside the same day, lagging indicators are only telling you that you missed some good moves from a few minutes ago.

In my experience, looking at moving averages on intra-day charts tends to trigger cross-over buy/sell signals after the move has been made and the stock has hit a temporary support or resistance level. Meaning that buying and selling intra-day based on an intra-day chart's moving average signal will (typically) put you in a position that tends to stall or reverse more often than not.

So, what are my independent variables? That depends on the Security at hand, it's technicals, fundamentals, and how much it's weighted in its corresponding index.

For example, we could look at WWY (Wrigley) and find out what the independent variables surrounding the trade were for today. It's listed on the NYSE, which was up this morning, but since it's not a large market cap, that doesn't really matter. The Dow took off and basically everything else followed. Variable number 1 = DOW, Nasdaq, S&P, Russell, and NYSE were all taking off straight out of the gate this morning. This makes the morning, and most likely the rest of the day a Long only trading day. This means you shouldn't be shorting anything with this much of a bullish market sentiment.

Variable number 2 = NEWS. Wrigley announces $.53/share from $.46, which beats expectations by $.04 That alone is probably reason enough to go long, but we've got a quite a bit to still look at first. The CEO steps down and a family run company announces a non-family related CEO for the first time in their history... Good or Bad? On a bad earnings report, this usually means good news, but not for traders, this is investor news... Today, they could have reported that Mickey Mouse was going to become the new CEO and it still would have been good news.

Variable number 3 = analyst recommendations were fairly neutral, and off of great news, that means an expected neutral/underperformer is more likely to break out... Look for a big week, but I wouldn't trade it tomorrow (unless they announce that Mickey really is taking over...)

Variable number 4 = Dow breaking 12,000 just after the open. Bee-lining toward 12,100.

Variable number 5 = Volume with little resistance. Looking at a 5 day chart, WWY had gaped up today before it took off and ran further. Meaning that it had exceeded the previous levels of support and resistance very early on, and that it would be more likely to just keep running.

Variable number 6 = Volume and Level II. Wow. A monkey (Jim Cramer) could have seen the "Buy Me Now" signal from this one.

Variable number 7 = the Chart. Candlesticks. No MA or any crap. Volume bars at the bottom. Clear the chart of all the crappy tools, and learn how to read the signals inherent on Price and Volume alone.

Variable number 8 = Screening tools. These are very important, and can also be very simple while retaining their effectiveness. Ask jho how important I think these tools are, and how underutilized they are. As far as what I screen for, I'm not telling. But come up with an ideal time frame for your style of trading, what and how you want to trade, and toy around with the things that you feel are most important in regards to how they will affect where the price is going.

The Matrix around the trade is all of these variables and what they wholly add up to. If the overall market sentiment is very bearish, but the other variables are bullish, then the matrix is not forming a consistent path to an appropriate decision. Don't make the trade. Sit on your thumbs if you have to, but if the important factors of a trade are not (mostly) adding up to the same consistent conclusion, then follow the rules and search for something else.

Like I said, Trading is NOT easy. But that doesn't mean that it can't be simple...
 
Disillusioned http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1242493#post1242493

Quote from 2manywhiners:

Forming a Matrix of Independent variables around your trading decisions does not make trading easy. I'll give you that one... Look, traders should be learning all of these things right from the beginning. If a new trader doesn't understand the functions of the market and why it moves the way it does, then in my opinion that trader should not yet be trading. I know being a trader or investor is one of the easier career moves anyone could make because it doesn't require any training or being hired on at a firm. All you have to do is open an account. That doesn't mean that trading is simple or easy. If new traders don't understand the intricacies of the market, then they should learn before jumping off a diving board into a pool of sharks...

Market direction

News

Analyst recommendations

Volume and Support/Resistance

Price and Volume Charts

Level II and Advances: Declines

Screening Tools


Market direction
What we're looking for is a uniform direction from all of the major indices. Everything up means Long only. Everything down means Short only. If there is a mixed reaction then experience will be trading both sides possibly at the same time, however new or young traders should probably wait out a uniform direction. Same thing with a market that is chopping around with no solid direction.

News Scan the News wires for anything released after the previous close. Mostly it's just stuff that's irrelevant to intra-day trading, but the stuff that really makes stocks breakout or breakdown big are usually found here.

Analyst recommendations Recent upgrades/downgrades are the only thing we're looking for. These are intended for investors who want their hand held, so we're not buying or selling anything based on what these clowns say. All we want to see is if and when one of the analysts changed their mind, and how many of them did it at the same time with the same rating. Again, do not buy or sell b/c of an analysts buy or sell rating. We're only here for a confirmation of a previously held notion.

Volume and Support/Resistance Looking at the volume alone can hint at the possibility of how fluid the stock is, how well it is moving, and what the price is reacting to (news, technicals, rest of market direction, etc) With Support and Resistance (as in previous price levels, not MAs or Bollingers) we're looking for something that has already broken it's recent resistance (or support) or is not too close to it yet. You don't want to buy anything if it is very close to it's previous resistance, but hasn't broke through yet. If it has already soared past it, then that's usually a good thing, but it depends on what the Price and Volume charts say...

Price and Volume Charts I've spent countless hours on ET explaining how Price & Volume candlesticks work. If you use the search function, you'll find some gold buried somewhere around posts 150-250... Otherwise, you should look into some detailed explanations of how this works. Most candlestick books have entire chapters or even sections of the book dedicated to Price and Volume patterns. There are far too many to learn from one post, but within a few weeks of looking at these charts, it'll click and you'll suddenly start recognizing things while they happen and not after they're done. http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70650 I found it for you... I posted a chart attachment and some explanations for basic Price&Volume chart reading. Have fun.

Level II and Advances: Declines This is important after I've looked at all the other variables. If you're familiar with Level II, then you already know the purpose of incorporating what is happening on your Level II screen into your decision making process. If you don't... WoW. Start reading Intro to Trading books.

Screening Tools I use multiple screening criteria for multiple market directions, times of day, and types of trades. Some screening criteria is very simple, like Price between $X.xx and $YY.yy with Volume between W and Z; and some is a bit more complicated, like screening specific long-term technicals, intra-day technicals, and basic fundamentals of a company into one screen. What is the purpose? I have screens for up days, down days, sideways, choppy, etc. Morning, Lunch, Afternoon, etc. Short, Long, Short one related vessel, Long the other, etc... I highly suggest all intra-day traders learn about the basic fundamentals of companies, what their significance is, and learn the functions of long-term trading and investing. It will open doors to your understanding of what exactly is occurring intra-day and why. Investors and Institutions still control the markets intra-day... when traders learn that, light bulbs start to flicker...
 
Disillusioned http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1242687#post1242687

Quote from 2manywhiners:

Attainment of knowledge is of the utmost importance in trading. Once traders begin to learn how markets work and what exactly is affecting large price swings (while they're occurring) then it becomes simple. Never easy... but simple.

When all of these variables are aligned, the trade is a 90% (or higher) lock. I'm not grinding it out for pennies or nickels. I'm looking for $$$ and % points. So by saying it's a 90% lock, I'm not saying the trade is a lock for a half dozen pennies, I'm saying it's a lock for quarters or dollars...

Successful trading (consistently and on a large scale) takes time and knowledge. I'm only trying to provide the key. You still have to be the one to open the door...

Best of Luck to all...
 
Rules for Starting Out - general tips to live and die by PM

I'll give you some very valuable tips for starting out, but just remember what * said earlier, "everyone is different." Don't expect to win early on, expect to learn how the market functions. Don't worry about your strategies (plural; different strategies for the many different directions of the market) as much as your risk tolerances (ie Stop Losses, trailing Stops, and the % of capital in any one sector) Trade small (early on) at either a discount broker ($7/trade or less) or at p/share pricing. Never trade more than about 10-20 round trips in a day, and you don't have to worry about hefty fees too much.

If you develop a strategy where you're using more than 20% of your trading capital on any one trade, BE VERY CAREFUL. Many successful traders won't tell you how they trade, most successful traders also trade different strategies, but few of them trade more than 25% of their capital in one trade. Whatever your specific risk tolerance is, probably isn't as important as having at least a small amount of diversification. Don't put too much capital in any one sector.

Knowledge is power. Knowing the overall direction of the market is almost always more important than looking at the technicals of any one, or handful of, specific stocks. The psychology of the market usually dictates price action more than chart patterns. Many, MANY traders never pick up on this, and trade purely on technicals. If the overall market is trending up, why go short because of past data? Makes sense right? Well, most traders don't trade short very often, so why go long when the overall market is trending down? I'm not saying technical traders are wrong, I'm not saying fundamental traders are wrong, (I don't consider them traders though, they usually trade long term so they're investors) what I'm saying is that whatever reason you chose to enter a stock, you need to know that what a chart says isn't always what a stock does. Market direction is very important. Know it, and you'll know your appropriate strategy.
 
Rules for Starting Out - general tips to live and die by PM

Position size is very important, but often only because it is overlooked. Sector depth (or the % amount of trading capital currently proportioned in one sector) is probably much more often overlooked. If a trader has 30% or more of his capital in one sector, even though it may be diversified by 3 or more different stocks, he may be subject to what I call a Sector Dip. Such an example would be buying multiple stocks in one sector (buy signals being based on technical data) and then listening to the direction of the overall market, instead of the market sector. The technical data may suggest long positions, the weekly market direction may be trending up, the intra-day overall market direction may be currently moving up, but after entering the trade you realize that the specific sector may have already been shaky or may have just been starting to reverse.

Diversification is important, but it is not always necessary. Sometimes I trade multiple stocks based on what is happening in their current sector, but when doing so I ALWAYS make sure that I know exactly what the corresponding sector is doing. There can be a lot of money made through Narrow Diversification (that's what I call it, made it up myself; several stocks = diverse, one sector = narrow.) Just make sure you know what the sector is doing. Like I said before, I trade what moves, and what moves well is always changing. Note: ETFs can be a good vessel, but I usually trade them based on what the overall market is doing. Like when I'm inside of a down day, during a down week, I really like to short. However, when a specific sector starts a break out many of the low-end, low-value, and low-volume stocks tend to lag behind the breakout, so going with the Best of Breed (I never follow Cramer's footsteps, but he does have fairly good philosophies) is usually the best option for these types of moves. When a sector starts to fall though, most of the lower-end stocks tend to follow suit much quicker. Try trading the Best of Breed and ETFs simultaneously. Depending on the type of move I do this occasionally too.

By the way, I often trade against the trend, but rarely past the first 30 minutes to first hour of the open. The market direction usually changes around this time anyway, and most of the best moves occur in the open. Letting morning breakouts run can bring in $$$, regardless of where the market goes. But beware, they often run out of gas before the end of the first hour, and sometimes when they do they bomb. So I'd say that always knowing where the trend is heading is probably more important than always trying to trade with it. Starting out though, The Trend is Your Friend is an excellent policy.

I don't (usually) trade the first 5 minutes though. Usually I let the market direction of the previous day and week tell me what to do in the open, but sometimes I listen to Big News too (important news that will effect more than one sector, segment, and market.) Interest rate changes, dollar/currency moves, earnings reports, dangerous weather or disasters, wage increases, terror/jihad... you know whatever will have an impact on the trading day.

I really feel like I get a lot back by helping others, so I try to do it often. Starting out though, it is very important to keep asking questions. This isn't grade school, where other kids might make fun of you for raising your hand all the time. The more questions you ask, the more knowledge you will attain. One question answered almost always prompts a new question. After a handful of years, I still ask other people questions, and while I take what most people online say with a grain of salt, there are some people on ET I almost never question. General rule of thumb is, if they have over 1000 posts, and were on ET in the 1990's, they probably know what they're talking about. Not always though, some of those guys were the ones who scorned me in 2002.

So, ask away and I'll help as best I can. And I'm not saying you should make any exceptions for me. You should always question the logistics of anything anyone says before taking it to heart. That's just one of my philosophies of Life though...
 
http://www.barchart.com/ ETFs on 5-12-2006 PM

check out the percent on the day. Prime example of my previous explanation. Ever tried to short a whole bunch of individual stocks in a short period of time on a down day? Hard isn't it? ETFs, for traders, are primarily used for days like today. Easy in, easy out. For upward momentum days, many of the worst of breed stocks lag behind, so the moves are smaller than they are on down days. There is money to be made on down days, you just have to know where to find it. It was a very long time before I came across this strategy, I used to wait out down days by not putting anything in the market, and just watching. Now, I am more consistent on down days shorting ETFs, than many mixed momentum days. (DOW & NASDAQ up, S&P down... etc)

PS the charts always update every ten minutes, I'm not sure if the links always change too. When I sent this, all the ETFs were in a -0.06% to about -5.3% range. 200 of them I think. While not exactly fish in a barrel, you still have to use charts and sector news to weed out imposters and gap hoppers, today was a good example of trending intra-day price movements.
 
Price and Volume PM

"I don't need analysis paralysis." How very true that statement is. I thought I did when I was starting out (I think I read about every technical trading book there was for beginners) and I was trying to use every indicator available, the only problem is that I almost never made any trades because indicators were rarely in sync. Then as soon as any indicator turned to a sell, I got out. Big waste of time if you ask me, unless you're specializing in 5 stocks or less, and that's all you trade. I don't have time for all the nonsense though, PRICE and VOLUME. MA's and all they're clones are pretty much useless. For long term investments they can be useful, but intra-day they're manipulative more often than not.
 
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