Mr. tharp thank you for your reply. But i must admit, I didnt make me feel any better! But as they say I guess the truth hurts. Its funny that you mention oneils book as a reccomended reading. Back in 1992 I used to work for Mr. william o'neil in santa monica, CA as a printer, printing these stock chart books evry week. There was this big deal about security surruonding the info we were printing.It was like working at the mint or something. Unfortunatly for me at the time I was young and didnt care about the stock market so I never gave the books a second look. I can remmember people in the company telling me that these books we printed every week, with all these fancy charts and graphs cost about $1200.00 each. I and I would think "thats crazy". we also used to print the investors buisness daily newspaper. this was back when it first becmae public. Anyway thanks again for your response. Ill just keep chipping away at the stone.