Not so cool facts about Israel

Quote from dddooo:

LOL, your "little satan" theory must be falling apart right in front of your eyes if you have to resort to this ridiculous nonsense. Oh the desperation... You just can't stand the fact that Israel is a prosperous liberal democracy, that they have turned a desert into a garden and that you support medieval theocratic fundamentalists who have contributed nothing to humanity in the last 1000 years.


-People in Israel are better off not only compared to the Palestinians, they are better off compared to all arab nations including oil-rich countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in fact the Israelis are better off than quite a number of developed Europeans countries - Spain, Portugal etc.
-"Massive" US aid to Israel started in 1974 - 33 (not 60+) years ago, prior to that Israel was getting pennies.
-Massive US aid to Egypt started at the same time, yet Israel is a prosperous democracy while Egypt is still a shithole.
-The aid came with a lot of strings attached and was mostly spent on american weaponry needed to defend Israel.
-The aid never constituted more than 1-2% of Israel's GDP which, while quite substantial and helpful, could not possibly be the only or even the primary factor of Israel's economic miracle.


How are things over at the AIPAC ? Are you guys going to get Obama elected?
 
Quote from Doubter:

"At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11-years-old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family."

by Michail Yon via Instapundit
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These are the ones Wael supports!

fuck no! These are the ones you and your administration support both financially and logistaclly.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96595

But then again....As long as these Salafi, and al Qaeda afaliate groups, work for the US then they are fine!!
 
Quote from TheDudeofLife:

How are things over at the AIPAC ?
Things are great, thanks for asking. All presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle are staunch supporters of the only democracy in the Middle East, the american public overwhelmingly supports Israel, fringe idiots like you are a laughing stock of the country and are completely irrelevant.
 
Quote from dddooo:

the american public overwhelmingly supports Israel


I doubt that, and considering the fact that the mainstream propaganda the average American is exposed to about Israel is heavily censored and biased, it is no wonder you AIPAC guys work so hard. Do you AIPAC folks go to the same propaganda seminars as the NAR shills?
 
"Israel is the size of New Jersey"?????

I hope it doesn't smell like New Jersey too!!!!

I actually watched that whole thing through the end....a lot of propaganda for sure, but a lot of legitimate points as well.....its interesting that they showed an opposite view....although I think they were exploiting children in this to some degree...One interesting thing they failed to admit when talking about children was

" The Arabs and Palestinians are the ONLY country in the world that actively employs their children as bomb devices"

who else straps on explosives to their children to sacrifice them?
 
Quote from TM_Direct:

....a lot of propaganda for sure, but a lot of legitimate points as well.....
Hmm, they lost me when they declared that Israel was established on the ruins of another nation Palestine, "forgetting" the UN partition and that Palestine was neither a nation, nor a country (let alone that Jordan was part of Palestine), they claimed that Israel deported 4,000,000 refugees when there were 325,000 arabs in Israel in 1948... They count second/third generation americans or canadians of palestinian descent as refugees... The rest of the video is not much better - lies, distortions, half-truths.

its interesting that they showed an opposite view
They did? While they did mention that Israel is the size of NJ they "forgot" to mention that the Arab world is 500 times bigger than Israel, they forgot to mention that the Jews are outnumbered by 70 to 1, they certainly did not mention the wars the arab states started to wipe Israel off the map, intifadas which caused all that suffering of their children, terror attacks against israeli civilians...
Here is the real opposite view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tDDkvXSI8&mode=related&search=
 
Quote from dddooo:

....a lot of propaganda for sure, but a lot of legitimate points as well.....
Hmm, they lost me when they declared that Israel was established on the ruins of another nation Palestine, "forgetting" the UN partition and that Palestine was neither a nation, nor a country (let alone that Jordan was part of Palestine), they claimed that Israel deported 4,000,000 refugees when there were 325,000 arabs in Israel in 1948...The rest of the video is not much better - lies, distortions, half-truths.

Well, using that logic we can say the US was not formed on top of the American Indians....they didn't have 'formal' recognition to the rest fo the world so it was perfectly ok to wipe them out right?....and really, i would NEVER hang my hat on an argument that uses the UN for validity...not saying the video is perfect....but on the other hand, there are always two sides to a story.
 
Hooray, yet another WAEL v.s. dddooo thread.

Why not just have one thread titled, "The WAEL v.s. dddooo thread"?

Come to think of it, Zzzzz can start a "ZZZZZzzzztroll against the whole world" thread.
 
Quote from hapaboy:

Hooray, yet another WAEL v.s. dddooo thread.

Why not just have one thread titled, "The WAEL v.s. dddooo thread"?
Please note that 99% of these threads are started by Wael. It's his Jihad, not mine, I am just trying to set the record straight and correct his lies.
 
Quote from dddooo:

....a lot of propaganda for sure, but a lot of legitimate points as well.....
Hmm, they lost me when they declared that Israel was established on the ruins of another nation Palestine, "forgetting" the UN partition and that Palestine was neither a nation, nor a country (let alone that Jordan was part of Palestine), they claimed that Israel deported 4,000,000 refugees when there were 325,000 arabs in Israel in 1948... They count second/third generation americans or canadians of palestinian descent as refugees... The rest of the video is not much better - lies, distortions, half-truths.

its interesting that they showed an opposite view
They did? While they did mention that Israel is the size of NJ they "forgot" to mention that the Arab world is 500 times bigger than Israel, they forgot to mention that the Jews are outnumbered by 70 to 1, they certainly did not mention the wars the arab states started to wipe Israel off the map, intifadas which caused all that suffering of their children, terror attacks against israeli civilians...
Here is the real opposite view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tDDkvXSI8&mode=related&search=

They lost you??? You mean the Israelis who made this video file??

:D :D :D
 
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