Is it possible to short ultra ETFs the old fashioned way and not by buying short ETFs

[WinstonTJ]

Quote from limitdown:

unless they get 100% margin, then this only produces at most, 7.5 leverage, not 9x leverage

what are the symbols of these 3x funds?

or is this a real response or a wishful response?

http://www.direxionshares.com/pdfs/Direxion_Funds_at_a_Glance.pdf

Its a real response. I initially said that i've seen hedge funds use this tactic - I have no idea what your personal margin rates are on various platforms, etc.

Example - a few weeks ago there were rumors that Goldman might go private, this might have spawned a "crash up" in the financial sector - you could have gone all in and used this tactic to make a buck. I know of two hedge funds who did this with the S&P and made 40% in a few weeks.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from winstontj:



Sometimes I have trouble properly articulating these things – am I explaining well enough?

Yes, your explanations of the inner workings of how these funds achieve what we want them to do is very informative. Thank you.