I got robbed by Tik Tok traders!!

Shorting can be the appropriate strategy; nothing wrong with it per se . I mean, those covered call trades you love are synthetically equivalent to short puts, so... :sneaky:

But shorting the Qs during earnings for a rocket like NVDA, and having no protection against a big price move - yeah, that's not something with much longevity. Typical "tree munfs ago I coludn't spell 'tradooor' and now I are one" behavior.

Not that I mind; when I look for stupid money to trade against, these types provide it.

Dude, you forced me to respond...

Yes, they are similar...But they are not the same.

I hate having to defend the covered call...But I'll have a go and see how it differs from this person's trade.

The only thing similar is they are both one legged. With my covered calls, I can buy back at almost any time (and take my losses or gain).

His trade was on margin and one legged...Speaks for it self.

I already own QQQ and am just holding it. But, if I bought another 100 shares and wanted to option it, I would do this and we can look at the potential income flow...

I buy 100 shares...Then do a covered call $5. out of the money for say 3 months, or a leap (12-14 months).

There is rich premium for the call. I will earn the premium and any dividend that is declared...If it gets called away, I earn the $500. A few years ago premium and dividends didn't matter much. But with money markets earning about 5%, the compounding does make a difference. When you add the compounding on top of the compounding, it makes for interesting cash flow. When you put this into a Roth IRA, it get even more interesting...

So yes, very similar...But different maneuvers and mechanisms that can (and will) create different results.
 
Dude, you forced me to respond...

Yes, they are similar...But they are not the same.

The word "equivalent" has a specific meaning. :rolleyes:

So yes, very similar...But different maneuvers and mechanisms that can (and will) create different results.

Yeah - that would be because of different "maneuvers".

You seem to have taken me saying "shorts are appropriate for specific situations" to mean "your covered calls suck ass", or perhaps "shorting naked calls during earnings is exactly the same thing as doing covered calls." A bewildering "interpretation" that is nowhere near what I meant, implied, or that could be extracted from anything I wrote in any rational manner.

Aside from that: the premium for puts is higher than for equidistant calls in equities - because, among other things, it includes the dividends (that was Merton's addition to the BSM equation.) If that wasn't the case, you could arb one against the other and make money all the livelong day with no risk.
 
The word "equivalent" has a specific meaning. :rolleyes:



Yeah - that would be because of different "maneuvers".

You seem to have taken me saying "shorts are appropriate for specific situations" to mean "your covered calls suck ass", or perhaps "shorting naked calls during earnings is exactly the same thing as doing covered calls." A bewildering "interpretation" that is nowhere near what I meant, implied, or that could be extracted from anything I wrote in any rational manner.

Aside from that: the premium for puts is higher than for equidistant calls in equities - because, among other things, it includes the dividends (that was Merton's addition to the BSM equation.) If that wasn't the case, you could arb one against the other and make money all the livelong day with no risk.

Yeah, those people at Oxford Dictionary are idiots!!

e·quiv·a·lent
/əˈkwiv(ə)lənt/
adjective
  1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.
    "one unit is equivalent to one glass of wine"

    Similar:
    equal

    identical

    similar
Also noun...

a person or thing that is equal to or corresponds with another in value, amount, function, meaning, etc...Counterpart, parallel, match, alternative

Because we are not talking with each other, it can be misconstrued...
 
Yeah, those people at Oxford Dictionary are idiots!!

No, they have it exactly right. You, on the other hand...

> Counterpart, parallel, match, alternative

"Alternative" isn't even close. Maybe try consulting - oh, I don't know - the Oxford Dictionary before striking out on your own? :p

In any case - whatever silly point you're trying to argue about diction is irrelevant. The basic version of the put/call parity formula is C = S + P; therefore, -P = S - C.

Of course, it could be that all financial mathematicians are idiots. Or that you don't understand math. I know which way I'd bet.
 
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LOL well I didn't mean that but... fairly accurate lol
 
Calm down everyone, and no need to worry.

I did some thinking on this thread, and rang up a few people I know in Washington to do something about this tik-tok robbery thing.

After pulling some strings and calling on a few favors, the SEC agreed to take on the case. Unfortunately it may take a while. I called the head office today again in order to follow up on any update, but the woman on the phone said Gensler was not in his office. Apparently, he's too busy at the moment with all this crypto shit and dozens of S-1 prospectus filings for spot Ethereum ETFs that landed on his lap.

Hang in there everyone! We'll make it through this... just give it some time.
 
I did some thinking on this thread, and rang up a few people I know in Washington to do something about this tik-tok robbery thing.

OMG! Dude! If you know People in Washington...

You MUST remedy the grave wrongs suffered by every Johnnie One-Lot ever, when The Wall Street Cabal KNOWS where his stops are, moves the price down just enough to knock him out - and then, just to rub it in, raises it up to where he would have SURELY made a million.

Every. Single. Time.

There are literally thousands of these people, with the same exact story. Told in the same whiny, dying-of-injustice, clubbed-baby-seal tones (just like the OP in this thread.)

They can't ALL be wrong!
 
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