How do you meditate for optimizing the mind for trading?

baro-san said:
Meditation and trading are simple; not "deceptively simple", but simple. The problem is that if you just go through the moves, not knowing what you're doing, most likely you won't draw any benefits.

Calming is a byproduct of meditation. It isn't its goal.

The road to accomplishment: instincts -> emotions -> intellect -> intuition.

When you're controlled by instincts and emotions you fail.

The Royal Road (El Amino Real) is from intellect to intuition.
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Are you sure calming is only a byproduct? When the mind is calm you are more likely to think creatively and laterally. Wouldn't "intuition" then be the byproduct?
 
Frederick Foresight said:
Are you sure calming is only a byproduct? When the mind is calm you are more likely to think creatively and laterally. Wouldn't "intuition" then be the byproduct?
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Yes. I'm sure. Meditation is for attaining altered states of consciousness.

Calming is a byproduct of meditation, caused by the knowledge you acquire, and by the habit of relaxing, a necessary step in meditation. Creativity isn't related to being calm. I don't know what is lateral thinking, and if it is desirable. Intuition isn't a byproduct of meditation, it is a stage of evolvement of the consciousness.

If you want to achieve any of the above, a quicker and more controllable way is self-hypnosis.

I am pretty familiar with these terms. You might be too, but have a different opinion, and, using different definitions for some words adds to our apparent difference of opinions.

edit: There are several good books, DVDs, articles about improving your golf score with self-hypnosis.
 
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Frederick Foresight said:
This is pretty much Herbert Benson's approach in The Relaxation Response.
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Benson's book was kind of a reaction to the TM 'movement', which took a really simple and effective technique and built a belief-system around it. Thus, when people ask me what meditation is all about, I follow his suggestion just to pick a simple sound/word, and "One" works as well as anything.

So that was a good catch!
 
Frederick Foresight said:
Are you sure calming is only a byproduct? When the mind is calm you are more likely to think creatively and laterally. Wouldn't "intuition" then be the byproduct?
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Focus, clarity and over long sessions 3plus hours practiced daily long term it has been shown to rewire the brain.

20 min 5am , 20 min 10pm for me, I have gone 1plus hours when time is available. Listen to the Devi prayer. I use a 1” mat and a meditation bench. Crossed leggged not good for me after 10 min. We have a Buddhist temple here in homestead and they walk in silence to meditate.

Mantra is “ love” . When I wonder off I focus on breathe 4 sec out, 4 sec hold, 4 sec in, 4 sec hold, repeat. Over the summer when not having to take son to school I go to the oceans shore . Peace
 
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