High Protein Milk; It’s Not Just Milk With Added Protein Powder

[Magna]

The most common lactose-free whole milk I see in my travels is Fairlife.

Thx for the tip, I'll keep an eye out for that next time I go to a regular supermarket chain store.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Never considered that, thanks for the idea. I wouldn't go for the skim milk variety as it's the fat in milk, for one thing, that makes it so tasty and satisfying (eg, why I prefer whole milk).

My system has fully transitioned from carbs to fat as my source of energy. I realize that's counterintuitive to most as we are all trained to believe that eating fat is not good for us and will, in fact, make us fat. Neither is true, but that's a conversation for another time. In any case I will see if I can track down lactose-free whole milk and give it a go.

Good luck.

I never said you shouldn't consume fat. I just don't think it's wise to concentrate on saturated fats. But, as you said, a conversation for another time. The comment that caught my eye was this one:

...one result of this diet is that it almost immediately shows me discomfort when I introduce what are now foreign items.

How good can that be? And what might it be saying about your gut microbiome?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The most common lactose-free whole milk I see in my travels is Fairlife. It comes in 52-oz square-looking plastic containers, and is now found in every major supermarket chain.

Here in Canada, I get mine in cartons in the refrigerated dairy case at the supermarket. They have everything from skim (my choice) to whole. No added ingredients.

 

[Tuxan]

I started using a little milk in my coffee or tea recently, lactose free to see if that helped, and my knees are suffering from inflammation again. I guess it is an antigen protein my immune system reacts to.

Back to making my own almond and cashew milk which is not difficult but got boring.

 

[Magna]

the ketovore/carnivore diet tends to impose some pretty strict standards and exacts a price if I vary.

I'm just wondering if that's a good thing for your gut microbiome.

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one result of this diet is that it almost immediately shows me discomfort when I introduce what are now foreign items.

what might it be saying about your gut microbiome?

Every indication that I've seen regarding the ketovore/carnivore diet is that it resets the gut and helps absorb a very high percentage of the vitamins, minerals, etc. in the extremely nutrient dense world of ruminant meat. In the past due to the eat-anything philosophy my system ─ by necessity ─ was used to all kinds of food, sugars, carbs, seed oils, dairy, plant roughage, etc. After about 1½ years of a radically clean diet eating none, or very minimal, of the above items I assume my digestive tract doesn't exactly know how to handle those "foreign" items and hence the short-lived ache. So I'm not real concerned about my gut microbiome as I trust it is doing its job and letting me know what works and what doesn't.

 

[ph1l]

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After about 1½ years of a radically clean diet eating none, or very minimal, of the above items I assume my digestive tract doesn't exactly know how to handle those "foreign" items and hence the short-lived ache. So I'm not real concerned about my gut microbiome as I trust it is doing its job and letting me know what works and what doesn't.

Carnivore diets might not be as healthy for your digestion as you think they are.
https://www.mygenefood.com/blog/why...-try-instead/#6_carnivore_diet_and_gut_health

#6. Carnivore diet and gut health
The carnivore diet could damage the colon and degrade gut health. In fact, changes to the microbiome eating nothing but meat could colonize the gut with bacteria that increase the risk for heart disease. Animal protein is high in L-Carnitine, a type of amino acid. The New England Journal of Medicine has published a study which demonstrates certain strains of bacteria turn carnitine, as well as choline in eggs, into TMAO, a compound that has been shown to damage the arteries. Not everyone who eats meat will have high TMAO levels, however, an unhealthy microbiome combined with a constant supply of red meat at every meal,could result in the perfect storm for TMAO to get out of hand.

There are many sound reasons to eat fiber, with one of the most important being the impact fiber rich foods can have on the microbiome. When we eat complex carbohydrates like yams, broccoli, rolled oats, apples, and other plant foods, the plant matter ferments in the colon, which is a good thing. It’s the fermentation process that generates short chain fatty acids, like butyrate, which lines and protects the gut wall while also providing the body energy. By removing all fiber from the diet and eating only meat, you increase the likelihood two things will happen:

1. Your microbial diversity will suffer and;
2. Some of that flesh will putrefy in the gut which can break down the gut wall and increase the risk for cancer of the colon in the future.

Don’t believe the science?

The study above from Texas A&M, was designed to push back on the link between red meat and colon cancer, but their reason for doing so was that plant foods consumed with meat are protective.

There is also a meta-analysis examining the link between colon cancer and red meat consumption. The evidence shows an increased risk for colon cancer and none of these studies look at a diet that is exclusively composed of red meat. The carnivore diet is potentially bad for the microbiome, increases the risk of intestinal permeability, and may increase colon cancer risk.

The mechanism seems to be undigested meat, which then ferments in the colon, leading to increased ammonia production and strains of bacteria that produce histamine.13

This NPR Article does a nice job summarizing the findings of a study that appeared in the Journal Nature. The study looked at the short term impact on the microbiome of a meat heavy diet vs. a diet that included much more plant fiber. The meat heavy diet was very similar to the carnivore diet and it altered the microbiome for the worse in just two days. In particular, bacterial species that feed on bile, called Bilophila, started to colonize the guts of the group following carnivore diet protocol. Bilophila bacteria, like Candida, aren’t necessarily “bad.” However, when they take over the gut as they are prone to do on extreme diets, that’s where problems can begin. Studies have linked Bilophila to colitis in mice. 14

See also: Can undigested protein contribute to leaky gut?

 

[themickey]

A few years ago, I was frequenting a local coffee shop nearly daily for a flat white coffee (milk coffee).
Anyhow I developed this intense back ache and around my kidney area which after several weeks associated it with the morning coffee.
I couldn't stand up straight, so bad was it.

One day I saw the people in the coffee shop carting milk to their shop in a supermarket trolley and the milk was a house brand milk (budget milk) from the budget supermarket nearby.

I stopped going to that coffee shop, back ache disappeared.

Now my brother came and stayed with me for several weeks while this was going on and he was unaffected.

Anyhow later on I went back to the coffee shop to try again and sure enough, back ache returned.

The point, it's possible some milk brands can affect you.
It could also be the coffee shop machine is not sterilized correctly.