4 NYC Blacks Charged In Hate Crime Beating of Singer

[Ricter]

Quote from spect8or:

There have, have there? Such as...what? Environment? Socioeconomic status? The same tired old list that prompted researchers to look at inherited traits in the first place? Something else? I'd love to hear it.

Nothing tired about that list. Perhaps you're tired of hearing it? Oh, don't leave out the relative deprivation hypothesis, and the "cheater detection" instinct. They also contribute usefully to explaining the behavior of some in otherwise "plentiful" circumstances. First observed in the lower primates, iirc, it is now being observed in other relatively intelligent species, like some of the birds. Does it make it right? Of course not. At any rate, I'll of course grant there is a genetic component to behavior.

And your order of occurence is plain wrong. Early scientists looked only at inherited traits, like the shape of people's skull. When those failed to hold any predictive power, other factors, such as those on your list, came into examination.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Pabst:

Trader Nik: Don't you live in Canada? Why not Chicago or the Bronx or Newark? Do you even know more than several blacks?

Canada has 593,335 blacks, Chicago has 1.1 million. That means there's twice as many blacks within a 15 mile radius of my home than in the 3,849,675 SQUARE MILES of Canada.

Canada has its problem people too, they are "reds".

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from spect8or:

But why should it matter if a moderator is immoderate in his views? He either moderates effectively or he doesn't. If you claim he must subscribe to moderate views then you are being PC.

Yes, you have a point. I guess that it's not impossible that a person with wildly immoderate views could moderate effectively. It's possible that a professional white collar thief would administer a charitable trust wihout dipping into the funds. It's possible that a fox could be placed in a henhouse and groom the hens instead of eating them. It's possible that the leader of a white supremacist group could get a job as a counsellor at high school with 75% black enrollment.

Actually I shouldn't be so sarcastic, you do have a point in this case. I just wonder - why choose someone like this when there are others who don't display wildly immoderate views that were willing to do the job. Who knows, maybe there really wasn't anyone else. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have time for it.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Ricter:



And your order of occurence is plain wrong. Early scientists looked only at inherited traits, like the shape of people's skull. When those failed to hold any predictive power, other factors, such as those on your list, came into examination.

But those scientists didn't have the means that today's scientists do. And there was also a long pause in which even looking for 'racial characteristics' became frowned upon (well, it still is, but some are now undettered). Today, the IQ argument seems so powerful that really the only way environmentalists have to deal with it is attack it on the margins (much like you do, citing meaningless and vague 'exceptions') or characterise its proponents as cranks or 'racists' or simply outright pretend it doesn't exist. One day, Ricter, I think you'll simply have to read "The Bell Curve"; that book answers environmentalist explanations so powerfully that I'm yet to read an even remotely convincing refutation of it (if you've got something, I'd dearly love to read it).

 

[spect8or]

Quote from traderNik:

Yes, you have a point. I guess that it's not impossible that a person with wildly immoderate views could moderate effectively. It's possible that a professional white collar thief would administer a charitable trust wihout dipping into the funds. It's possible that a fox could be placed in a henhouse and groom the hens instead of eatigng them. It's possible that the leader of a white supremacist group could get a job as a counsellor at high school with 75% black enrollment.

I said someone with immoderate views could be an ET moderator; not that anyone can hold any position.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Pabst:

Trader Nik: Don't you live in Canada? Why not Chicago or the Bronx or Newark? Do you even know more than several blacks?

Thus you know dick about dick.

Just because your experiences and perceptions are different than mine gives you ZERO excuse to denigrate my opinions.

And also, rather than just being some message board hack, I ran in 2004 for U.S. Congress and stated my opinions publicly with my name and address attached to all my thoughts, some receiving vast media attention.

You moron...

I live downtown in the most culturally and ethnically diverse city IN THE WORLD. The fact that you are unaware of it when you live so close to it doesn't surprise me.

I have every right to denigrate your 'opinions' since they are ignorant, racist drivel, informed by an inability to rationally discriminate between different sensory inputs in your physical environment.

You ran for Congress? What was your platform? Get a bunch of C-130s together and airlift the f**ing blacks back to Africa where they belong?

Yes, I can well imagine a serious candidate for Congress vomiting up statements like

''34% of black people are idiots' and

'the black lifestyle involves eating fried chicken and smoking crack' and

'you know dick about dick'

Yes. Indeed.

btw... why did they rescind your mod privileges?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from spect8or:

But those scientists didn't have the means that today's scientists do. And there was also a long pause in which even looking for 'racial characteristics' became frowned upon (well, it still is, but some are now undettered). Today, the IQ argument seems so powerful that really the only way environmentalists have to deal with it is attack it on the margins (much like you do, citing meaningless and vague 'exceptions') or characterise its proponents as cranks or 'racists' or simply outright pretend it doesn't exist. One day, Ricter, I think you'll simply have to read "The Bell Curve"; that book answers environmentalist explanations so powerfully that I'm yet to read an even remotely convincing refutation of it (if you've got something, I'd dearly love to read it).

Actually, I have read that book, I'm a sociologist by training. A very interesting book, and no doubt there is some overlap between brain function and genetics, further expressed in the research into neurobiology, which was still rather unknown at the time TBC was written. Nevertheless, moving outside the rather limited scope of that book, race is too vague to explain a lot of other, non-IQ test taking behavior. UNLESS you want to take into account how other people's reaction to a man's skin color influences how that man behaves. At any rate, it doesn't hurt to look, but we nevertheless still have more powerful influences on human success outcomes, and criminal behavior, than race.

Exceptions are not a "margin" approach. They are why we ended up with a helio-centric view of the solar system, for example.

 

[snooptrader]

Quote from Pabst:


And also, rather than just being some message board hack, I ran in 2004 for U.S. Congress and stated my opinions publicly with my name and address attached to all my thoughts, some receiving vast media attention.

Luckily you were defeated. It is often hard to get out the KKK vote.

 

[Load_the_boat]

Hey Pabst,

In your opinion what percentage of the city of Chicago would be considered a no-go zone for whites? Just wondering how bad things are there.... are there any no-go zones for blacks?

 

[Pabst]

Toronto is certainly more Asian than any city in the U.S.

Black? About 5% of the Toronto Metro. Hispanic? Very Few. So I'm impressed that you know where to order curry, rice and noodles.

And BTW: Don't delude yourself that Toronto is the world's most diverse city. Also I spend most of my time now outside of Miami so I don't keep track of Canada's diversity. I'd say you all should import some sports fans though, the Jay's are 2 out of first and you can't even draw 30,000 into the SkyDome.

As far as Resinate and me as mods. We were sacked without explanation. It was a hassle that both of us can surely do without.

Quote from traderNik:

You moron...

I live downtown in the most culturally and ethnically diverse city IN THE WORLD. The fact that you are unaware of it when you live so close to it doesn't surprise me.

I have every right to denigrate your 'opinions' since they are ignorant, racist drivel, informed by an inability to logically and rationally discriminate between different sensory inputs in your physical environment.

You ran for Congress? What was your platform? Get a bunch of C-130s together and airlift the f**ing blacks back to Africa where they belong?

Yes, I can well imagine a serious candidate for Congress vomiting up statements like

''34% of black people are idiots' and

'the black lifestyle involves eating fried chicken and smoking crack' and

'you know dick about dick'

Yes. Indeed.

btw... why did they rescind your mod privileges?