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Sounds like an arbitrage opportunity.

How do you figure?

I'm thinking about shorting amzn, does that count?

That's been my thought reading through this whole thread. Case in point: ...even though it's still up strong on the day...

back up.

I am. My real account timed out, and I can't log back in, my simulator account is ok, though.

...wages [are taxed]. But oddly enough, financial transactions are exempt from tax. What kind of muddled thinking is this? Wage income is taxed, as is income from investments. A better analogy would be, "Getting a job or losing a job isn't taxed, so why should getting into or out of an...

Based on where ng is right now, it looks like about 12.20 for UNG, of course that can change.

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090707/ung8-k.html

Didn't quite work out that way, did it?

Not very liquid, are they? Especially TYO.

Check the ES volume in the last 5 minutes too.

That's similar to something I've been wondering about with inverse ETFs. Wouldn't it always be better to go short the long ETF than long the inverse, since then you would have fees, expenses, trading costs etc. working for you instead of against?

I'm not sure if figured this right, but using your numbers, over those 18 months UNG underperformed the futures by about 22%. That seems pretty expensive to me, or did I figure something wrong?

By "not continuous" you mean that you can't get updates until a contract expires?

I'm thinking about getting the "ES Tick Data since Mar.2003" from http://www.anfutures.com/datasvc.htm Does anybody have any experience with this product, or an alternative I could look at?

You could buy CDS's without owning the underlying security, that's one of the reasons the problem is so immense.

If I was the conspiracy theory type, I might think this whole episode was just to get the masses behind the TT.

But on the positive side it's getting cheaper everyday. :p

To take it further... Let's say you were a supernatural trader, averaging .6% per trade, trading 6 times a day. Ignoring componding you would make 900% per year. Including compounding you would own the earth in no time. With this tax you would pay 83% of your profits, on top of what you...