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I have some questions as well. We know from history that national identities typically die out after 5 generations of the dispersal from that nation. For example, we refrain from recognizing any ethnic group as American Mayans, or Russian Mayans, etc. We also know that the Jews were...

Just because confusion exists, some people believe that truth is absent. The "effects of people having these beliefs" statement is a bit self-defeating, at least in regards to christianity. According to its founder, his followers were to be known by their "effects;" which means that those...

[/b]... and "Your religion won't let you think" are your words. Wouldn't any reasonable person conclude from your statement that the "you" therein: 1. can't think; and, 2. has a bad religion (whatever that means) ? By pointing this out, I'm not changing the words, nor being dishonest...

Regarding the "debate" with stu: 1. There are no rules for the debate 2. Stu can say anything means anything, and in the context of the rule-less environment, it is allowed 3. Stu makes a lot of meaningless statements that are allowed, because there are no rules. 4. I supplied a proof that...

I assume that scripture means to you that all christians are supposed to give everything away. First, the man being addressed by Jesus wasn't a christian. Second, Jesus didn't address his remarks to all people. Third, the end result was "treasure in heaven," not salvation. Does this mean...

I'll answer your question if you'll answer mine.

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. (1Ti 5:8) Which is it -- give everything away or provide for my family?

Nothing is changed by you saying, "it ain't so." The deceit is obviously yours. It remains 2 thoughts, and a derived conclusion as item #3. To argue this is DEFINITELY willful misleading. (I assume you’ve had training in law.) Quote from trainr: You said, “Your religion won't let...

I think you took offense where none was intended. "quit life in general" was in reference to the day-to-day things like work, sleep, etc. Just my way of saying I don't have enough time. But, thanks for the kind words.

Good idea. You're right; a complex discussion does become a bog, or labyrinth, of details. I was a bit intimidated by the length of your original posts and was beginning to think I might have to quit life in general to respond in the detail you probably would prefer.

[/b]How is "You can't think" -- the essence of your statement -- not "to the man?" However you attempt to disguise ad hominem, it remains what it is. Caught again.

I don't think his folks really like to say much. It only leads to demands for proof, and then proof of proof, and on it goes. The guy doesn't need a chat room. Ego is probably the reason, which makes him interdependent with the people in the room. He is what he is and needs no...

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate how God is required to not-exist in order to create the universe. Is your omission intentional?

Not really. For example, the item you quoted. In the previous post he was all over the fact that I omitted the phrase "from observation," so I included it. Notice after I re-include it, he tells me I "added" it. There's no way to win with that kind of "logic," which is why he does it...

2 thoughts and a conclusion is still 2 thoughts. Like I said before, you're just being willfully ... misleading, at best.

Alternately, he was. Either way, he can't.

Archimedes, Man, that is a long post. I had to number your paragraphs and reference them by number as quoting all that is more than the system here can handle (character limit). This is my paltry summary of your considered message. It’s not an attempt to minimize it intellectually...

I'm in a bit of a rush lately, but tell me more about yourself and what you believe. What do you define as a christian? As faith? What constitutes a/the church? Is there more than one legitimate church? Extending that pursuit, who was the apostle to the gentiles, who was the apostle to...

Quote from stu: Quoting trainr: Expand on this. Show me how God requires non-existence to create the universe. I assume it's easy to do considering the lengths you go to proclaim how obvious it is. Go ahead, dumb it down for me. Please – go ahead. Quote from trainr: Does ad hominem...

Good point.