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    Starting a trading group. Good idea?

    It's an interesting topic. Depending on what you do, you may have some regulatory issues, but this is not likely based on what I infer from your post. The question is, "How are you going to cover your expenses?" If you are going to be charging a flat seat fee, that's not a problem. You are...
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    Can a CPO give a non-registered person performance allocation $$ from commodity pool?

    I recently researched much this same issue for a client. The potential difference is that my client was looking to have a silent partner. I cannot tell from your posts whether you will only be sharing revenue or will also share ownership. If sharing ownership, the CFTC (the NFA said this...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    I am not at all certain there is a cost efficient way to prove your record. And even once you have a proven track record, what does it get you? You cannot advertise it (if you want to keep your SEC exemption from registration as an Investment Adviser), and some people won't believe it...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    The initial questions are really variations of what I had in the prior note, such as: Do I need to register as an Investment Adviser? Do I need to register with the NFA as a CTA? What is my personal liability? What happens if there is a problem and someone sues me? How much time will I...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    Separately Managed Accounts might be an option, but it can become a can of worms. The issues that I see are: * Do you need to register as an investment adviser since you are participating in the profits? (if you do not participate in profits and are running these accounts out of the...
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    Hedge fund referral regulations

    Once again, I agree with Foz. In the example you provided, the issue is not that you have the leads (or whether you paid for them), but what you do with them. Foz is also right on target in his advice to pay attention to the blue sky requirements. Check out Section 203(b)(3) of the...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    Foz, that's fascinating. Thank you! I read that definition of Security from the Investment Company Act to encompass all types of futures. But there are many nuances, and the law (and its interpretation) is always changing! Kudos to you, too, for your posts. Willingness to share...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    Foz, that's an interesting question. I do not know the answer, and I am not an attorney. I did go and look at the law, though. It's too lengthy to post all of it. You'll want to go to this page to make sure I'm giving you a full picture: http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/InvCoAct/sec3.html...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    There's no low limit on the investment number. Your typical hedge fund (the least expensive to prepare) can have up to 100 investors, and no more than 35 of those can be non-accredited investors. If you accept many investors with the low limit, you start bumping up against the maximum...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    Take a look at this publication from the NFA: http://www.nfa.futures.org/compliance/dd2001.asp. It's lengthy, but excellent. A registered CPO is really much the same as a hedge fund. By doing a commodities hedge fund, you get the protection of the the exemption from securities rules under...
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    What's a cost efficient way to PROVE your track record to eventually start hedge fund

    Hello, all. There are lots of strong opinions here and I think that many people have passed along perspectives from experience. Experience can be the best teacher. But having the entrepreneurial drive to go out and see for yourself is a powerful force. When we are driven to explore the...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    Vhenn, it is not privileged information, but it is not a simple yes/no. It takes research. No, I do not have a chart for each state; there are too many variables. As I said before: Answering a "Must I register?" post is not something that can or should be done on a message board. It is an...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    I'm responding while on the road, and will be doing so for the next several days. Sorry for the the delayed and combined responses. Individual US investors should not invest in offshore funds. It will have a very significant and negative impact on their personal tax situation. If you are...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    See these paragraphs from my prior posts: Each state (with the exception of Wyoming) has created rules relating to Investment Adviser activities. Some of those state rules will take precedence over the federal rules. For example, in Texas and California (and many other states), if you have a...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    Yes, it is a lot of work. But the work accomplishes several things. First and foremost, it protects your personal assets. By setting up the LLCs, you insulate yourself (unless you commit fraud or illegal acts). Second, by accepting payment for your services, depending on the number...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    12 Steps to set up your hedge fund 1. Choose your provider wisely! 2. If you need to register as an Investment Adviser, start the process. This process should be done concurrently with the rest of this list. See www.iard.com to get started on this process. 3. Determine what will make...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    The Regulators are Getting Restless Over the years, there have been a number of hedge funds that have failed. Some were spectacular failures, such as Long Term Capital Management. The failure of some of these hedge funds and the resulting losses for investors caused the SEC to start to...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    Compliance and regulatory So far, everything sounds too good to be true. Depending on the manager’s performance in the fund he or she can earn a very nice living by doing something that they love to do. There is a catch, though; there are a few barriers to entry. The barriers are not too...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    Pool or Fund? If you trade commodities or futures in your hedge fund, you will probably need to set up a Commodities Pool that is registered with the National Futures Association (NFA). The Commodity Futures Trading Commission has delegated most of its day-to-day regulatory duties to the...
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    Starting a Hedge Fund

    Hello, all. I realize this thread has been resurrected, but maybe some of you are still subscribed and will find the information in this and the next several posts to be of value. Good luck on starting your hedge fund! Starting a Hedge Fund Are you ready to “run” other people’s...
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