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lesson one: futures going up, offers leaving... buy the offer. lesson two: futures going down, bids leaving... sell the bid. lesson three: repeat lessons one and two as much as humanly possible.

"buy a bullet and rent a gun" - Dealer to Chevy Chase in Vegas Vacation

does it count if you trade for a living, make no money and your parents pay the bills?

i am aware of and understand the policy of this site not to allow members to pitch firms. in 2000 i never considered leaving my firm, even though the management sucked and the system caused many people to loose large amounts of money. the market was so easy that the money you made out weighed...

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All right, I give up! What firm do you currently trade with? [/B] yeah what firm??????

if you have a stable income, keep it. right now is a terrible time to learn to trade. sure people can and will do it, but there are just too many things against you. i learned at a firm that did not require capital and paid me while i learned. that option is very very rare these days. if...

Back in 2000. oracle came out with big news bad numbers i think. everyone in firm was trading oracle. i was trading terion at 150 i think. sent selectnet orders to short 3000 shares underide, i had hedges. our firm orders got bottle necked and didn't actually leave the firm for 15 minutes...

ahh lucky and rich, i think that bubble was just a dream. making and losing sticks per second seems so far away. its better to blow up than fade away.

the rumor was more likely started by a trader still at hb in the jc office. x-hb traders love to pass em on. like the bony buy out!!! besides in the words of management, "we are not a trading firm any more, we are a technology firm". but then that why alot of the talent that originated at hb...

programmers i have spoken with have also mentioned slowness as a problem, and smart never really enters into the discussion. especially problematic with the smart order routing has been very delayed cancels or no cancel at all. you can't pull a smart order like a nornal ecn posted order...

lower commisions at hold brother's?????????? i think you forgot about the maintainence bill on greg's ferrari.

that deal sucks. sorry. you are better off bullshitting your way to a better deal. been shopping for deals myself lately and there are some decent ones. personally i think you need to get your cost down under 8 bucks per thousand all inclusive. 5 to 10k should be able to get you there at...

a 16 bucks per 1000, i would love to see ntrd go away for good.

if they are filing, which wouldn't suprise anyone, its because the hold bros were smart enough to pay themselves over 10million a yr. i think the real surprise is they were smart enough to bank money. its almost like they knew their management skills would eventually kill what was once a...

gordon, you of all people should know... information is the most valuable commodity i know of. i bet you stayed up all night analysizing those dog shit charts. doing big trades and making big money comes from one thing. consistency. i have used tech analysis for years and made most of my...

actually, i think that we would have to be fed and clothed as well, to be promoted to level of slavery.

i have been making money for one of the jerk off firms you just mentioned for some time now. look, i understand they need to make money, but don't tell me such and such ecn is a pass through expense, and then mark it up and treat it as a profit center for the firm. or charge guys on the west...

gotta go with joe battapaglia. he was on cnbc every day when the market was flying. i have only seen him on other financial shows in the recent past. i don't think sell is in his vocabulary.

if you can trade a firm's money before your own. you will learn far more than paper trading. i would rather have the crappiest deal trading some one else's money, because if you are CONSISTENT in your perfomance you can always take $10k to a prop firm. the days of consistently making 5 to 10k...