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Got to thinking. As a trade like this moves ITM could one effectively buy the next month October against the SEPT futures leg, making it a 1M Calendar futures spread (U/V) Would that lock up the trade & then all you have to do is wait out the decay? The other idea also being if the mkt rallied...

Got it! Thanx.

Yeah...odd price action. Shorts are in control I imagine and their buyingback power gets triggered on a wink

sle, can you expand on the "roll down along the curve"? I think I know what you mean....ARe you referring to curve being options and the expiration time line or the futures curve?

....Or a inventory discrepancy between crude & RBOB (drawndown) causeing a short covering spike.

The reason I'm selling near dated is there is another series available next week in which to reinitiate. My thinking is why have the exposure from event risk especially if there is premium in the shorter dated stuff. Obvious none of this takes into acct vol's and alike. Any other issues anyone...

I guess so. Theoretically its the same thing. See any short comings on the position? Idea was first presented to me as a trade in the ES as it rolls over. Trader suggesting it is a serial put seller of put VRP. I just like trading WTI better myself. Formatted it to that contract.

Have a trading idea. Along the lines of collecting premium in the 1 week WTI options. Basically sell the ATM put or as of yesterday, the Aug 05 40.50 put for .710 credit while simultaneously selling equal amounts of Sept WTI (Underlying). The market is in a downtrend (strong). I have never...

Hi ET. I'm not an equities guy. But, if you had to name stocks that would feel the heat if we had a downtown in the NYC real estate market. What listings would get impacted? Any ideas ?

On the chart that spread has broke the downtrend to the upside, albeit hasn't shown any legs yet. edit: the 2016 condor has broken trend & Not the 2015 or immediate curve. That spread looks like its still seeking lower lows.

At least on the WTI curve, the 1m spreads for the rest of the year are reflecting storage, but notice how the spreads are widest in J/K, K/M & M/N all trading @ -$1.30 plus with K/M & M/N printing new highs in -$1.43 area.....then we level off as we head out to the end of the year. Is the market...

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Thanks for looking, but Couldnt see the attachment.

Anyone aware of what the historically widest contango has ever been in the WTI 1M spreads?Looking for anything online... graphs, database etc. I guess this speaks to cost of carry etc. Have we ever exceeded wider than $1.50 ? They widened out the other day to about $1.33 & then retreated.

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How so?

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Anyone know of a good online source for WTI 1m spread historical contango data?

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Trying to make heads or tails of them. The look like they price like equity options with not to much premium farther out to sell comfortably. Anyone trading these?