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Of course it is... pay up or we take our marbles and go home. That is why they are already complaining they won't use the bailout plan, because it limits compensation. You would think if they were in a live or die situation they would choose death over not getting their $30 mil bonuses...

You have been misinformed. Try polling your the people coming in and out of your grocery store if you want easily understood reality. The funny part is, most are against it in principle. I would be for it if it would fix everything up, but I've read it and evaluated the situation and it is a...

Ahhh... irony. You are more or less saying you are not a not an average joe, since the bailout is warranted. You don't have the slightest clue to wtf the is happening then. If even half of what they are predicting is true, the $700B is just enough to line the pockets of the "important"...

Closer in what way? That he admittedly doesn't know much about it, or what he does pretend know he is totally incorrect about and has to retract? Sorry... I couldn't help myself... ;) McCain will thrash the economy, no matter what angle you calculate from. No to say Obama is going to...

I'm not even sure anyone is trading anymore... it looks just like automated trading back and forth in a small range for many equities.

The market is moving in lock step because it's make or break for whole the system... they either sink together or swim together. That has been how this week had played out.

No... at least 30% of the people here agreed a long time ago when the first news of the subprime issues realized that the leverage against those was going to cause a Category 10 (yea, and they only go to cat5) hurricane on the market that could not be stopped. Then there was a bunch of "stop...

It wouldn't have been bad if we had just let it happen to begin with... the more they fought it, the worse it is making it when it hits the shores... not only are we dealing with a crash of the market, but the register is rung up now likely a couple trillion all said and done with holding it...

You almost nailed the actual the "14 Points of Fascism" in that list... imagine that.

This is not socialist, this is fascist... socialism gives everyone in the nation access to a service or entitlement. Fascism, at least one of the most core principles, is that the interests of the corporations are the most important interest, and respecting those interests will translate into...

Yep, you and I are both suckers... I should of put 0 down on my house too... all upside, no downside (if the house drops in value, just buy another while your credit is still good and walk away from the other)... that is what all these corps did. Anyone that says it is the homeowners fault is...

So are you saying the banks will depreciate in proportion to their wealth, making this a wash? Because if you look at their income statements you can clearly see the looted a more than they will lose in proportion to a shrinking dollar. They won in the end, even though they lost game, ruined...

Exactly!!!!! Did you are realize that every penny of personal income tax goes to just paying only the interest on the debt we "borrowed" (our money, so I don't get how we have to borrow from a 3rd party) from central banks. Without the F'ing Fed, you could live personal income tax free for...

x2 The short sale ban was to save GS... Short is an equally important trade, and they screwed the pooch. Everyone will have a chance to take a deep breath, and then it's time to see how long we can hold it underwater once the shorts are able accurately reprice equities again.

I wonder what the moving average of a revolution is after this all pans out. =P

I suppose once you compound interest that we'll have to pay the Fed on it since they pressed the "print" button for our dollars, then yea, it should be much higher. But then again, by the time it the country gets around to paying that part of the debt we'll all be dead, so what the hell...

Anyone taking any side bets if we close @ <= 100+ on the Dow? I'll take it if given good odds. ;)

I second October! Now that Bush has declared that each tax payer is now on the hook personally for $3,500 to buy these shit loans that stimulus check is even more laughable.

Yep... Just watch... once there are no more buyers, and no shorts covering to break the fall... freefall. This was a plain dumb idea on the short ban.

Yea... they made it sound like short selling is some kind of crime, but leveraging billions of bogus paper isn't. What a joke... Notice how the key phrase was "requires confidence"... Some things require confidence to make them work... fiat currency as such the stock market...