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    Best way to bet the VIX falls back to high 20's by end of November

    Well this played out well, I was able to clear over $1.6 million dollars. As you can imagine, yesterday was a very stressful day for me. Took the day off today and going to relax. Thanks for the help guys!
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    Best way to bet the VIX falls back to high 20's by end of November

    Bump. Any other responses?
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    Best way to bet the VIX falls back to high 20's by end of November

    Let's set aside the discussion of whether VIX will actually fall in a month and focus on the best way of profiting from this theoretical drop in volatility. Would you prefer to get puts on VIX futures or calls on SVXY? And why?
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    So what you mean by the last part is that, VIX futures are so expensive far out (I.e. they are pricing in the return to normal) that time decay (loss of extrinsic value purchased) will mean you can’t really profit unless it goes to normal even faster/lower than the market predicted?
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    What I got from perusing this thread is that because you can't really buy and hold the VIX at 'spot' and your position will decay with the passage of time which will cut into your bottom line and probably make this trade unprofitable as you wait things to stabilize. Right but had XIV not been...
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    That’s true for shorting in general. Are you saying to never short anything with your own money?
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    Unrelated, but one question about that...I get how the investors got wiped out when vol spiked feb 2018. But wouldn’t they have recovered their money had credit suisse and nomura not shut down the etf products? I mean VIX did fall back to earth in the subsequent months...
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    Can you expand on why it’s not a good idea in your opinion?
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    So leaving aside the issuing of rebalancing and taking a non leveraged inverse VIX ETF, you basically agree that it can yield about 40% return in 18-24 months conservatively if a new normal is established (or the old one returns...), with the obvious caveat I could be under water for some time?
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    advantage to selling options?

    Excellent perspective so far. IMHO, you can make a 10-15% selling options if you do it correctly. Beyond that, you are asking to be wiped out. I wrote some pretty far out put spreads on AAL this past Wednesday as premiums were juicy. Got wiped out the following day as the crash it :) P.S. you...
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    How is shorting VIX right now not free money?

    Looking at the trends, VIX tends to float around the 10-15% marks with spikes whenever outlier events occur. Given it's elevation right now, it seems logical that it will fall back to earth in the next 18-24 months as the the situation improves, or at the very least, a new normal is...
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