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btw surfer, you clearly have great taste in books :-) What other three would make your list?

Thanks for the reply surfer. I use IB right now. The intraday leverage is pretty useless to me. The key for me is overnight leverage. Thus, the need to get another solution than my retial acct despite the intra-day 4:1. In terms of prop firms. I litteraly never considered a prop firm, or...

Overnight Samson? The intraday leverage is pretty useless for me since on average I hold positions 1.4 days. If you mean that pretty much any prop firm will give me 4:1 overnight with no series 7 with 25k can you give me a few names?

No EDGE for me! Leverage without Edge = B A D!

Lescor, thanks for your response. It is not so much the calculus of the payoff- isn't- worth- the- effort from which one can conclude "I don't want it bad enough." Rather I am weighing several options of getting leverage-- some that cost $$ (a fund) vs. some that cost time (prop with series 7)...

While I appreciate your extraordinary ability to do math, perhaps you are not aware that most trading systems have limits on the amount of money they can manage. Considerations such as liquidity will prevent this so called "imminent world domination" that you so optimistically profer. And in...

I trade my own acct with about 150k. I do well but I need better than 2:1 leverage to get to where I want to be sooner. I am happy to put up capital at a prop firm, I am even willing to share profits. (I have read in these threads people saying do one or the other, but not both. Duly noted.)...