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Seykota lives a Polygamous, Swinger Type Lifestyle and is proud of it. It certainly is not the stuff of heroes. More like losers. MC

That is definately a possibility. It would be nice to think otherwise but wallstreet is really full of sharks. Michael

Thanks. Not sure I understand. TA is used to identify trends or reversals, but is it TA? I know this seems to splitting hairs, but the people I work for are interested in this kind of thing. Thanks again Michael

:confused: From what i have read in the archives here and on google regarding marketsurfer, he is definately not a turtle or trend follower. Michael :confused::confused:

Thanks for the links. Wonder if they are still subcribing to the turtle rules as popularized ? Michael

Yes. HE Does. Michael

Many of the greatest traders of all time are objectivists, Mr. Thunder Dog. What is it that you don't understand? Michael

NEAT ! Someone is trying to do the famous turtle experiment again. Wonder if they will be as succesful as Dennis and Eckhart? Michael

is trend following a form of TA? I checked the MTA website and they do not address the question. What is the official stance? Thank you, Michael

well, with all this hububub about the demise of the trend followers, please note that the great trend follower non believer Nassim Taleb recently placed his fund into receivership. Really really poor form, particullarly for a firm that said they could never ever ever blow up. Michael C

I suppose you are speaking of marketsurfer. Why does everyone here seem to be so down on him. You guys went from loving this guy to hating him overnight since supposedly he sold out to a competitor. The fact remains that his public record is quite good since 2000. Yes, he made some bad...

THank you , seth!

Thanks for a great post! Is turtletrading as taught by dennis the same as I can buy for 1999.99 from turtle trader.com ? mike

Yes, exactly. This makes perfect sense and will obviously work. How does this relate to turtle trading as taught in Michael Corvel's site? It requires vast sums of capital, vast sums. It is not something an average joe trader could possibly accomplish. Your background is impressive! Mike

Great information, M. Thank You! The turtle system taught on turtletrader seems to be nothing but buy new highs, hold through drawdowns and hope. That is what it seems John Henry and Ed Sexkota do, and they seem to be the patron saints of turtle trading. I mean, it obviously works, if you...

Yes, really stupid. I can not find any evidence that there was even a real ad ran in the WSJ. Where is the proof? Mike

what i have found is there is a guy named michael covel who is accused of ripping off the "real" turtles. Basically taking the name turtle from the original turtles . It seems to me that even the original turtles is nothing but a story and marketing tactic. can anyond shed some light on...

Thanks! I have already checked out all those site. i still cant find any hard documentation of their existence. it seems to be all inuendo and hearsay. anyone? Did Dennis really run the turtle ad in WSJ? My search of the archives did not reveal such an ad. Can anyone show me the ad?

I have been lurking and reading this site for a long long time. Finally I have a question... I can not find any proof that the original turtles ever even existed. Outside of an offhand comment made by RIchard Dennis in Market Wizards, I can find nothing else about their origin. there is no...