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AR15 is a modified version of M16. It is less deadly but a military grade weapon nonetheless. Once again, I am a strong supporter of right to bear arms. This does not means a citizen needs semi automatic rifle and high capacity clip.

My point exactly about semi automatic weapons and high capacity clips, just change a word lefties with righties.

Hard core facts and opinions are in totally different buckets. Still waiting for for at least one real reason for semi automatic rifles and high capacity clips are needed for citizens. Come on guys, give at least 1 real reason.

Yep, and all those kids in China are alive. My point exactly. Some lives would have been saved had it not been due to AR15.

Here are two different opinions/studies on your 0.7% point: In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the...

We can go back a forth on all your points or mine. I'll just pick the first. 0.7 is not verifiable since gun lobby prevented traceability. The number is most probably much higher. But let's say it is 0.7, it is still too much since it only takes one lunatic to carry out another massacre. We not...

BSAM, I hold the same view as you and Captain. The change to guns laws is coming, some will deny it until the day it passes. What form and shape, I have no clue, it will be a fierce battle no doubt. I would say the the best odds would be some assault weapons ban, and somewhat...

They are only gun upgrade programs if similar types of guns are allowed to be purchased.

Lucrum, You are clearly much better versed and knowledgeable in this area than I am. I am sure you know a lot of these studies are some what curve fitted. As far as what is bought at gun shows vs used in crimes, it is almost impossible to have a real picture as most guns not traceable...

Could be less mods.

Many people who have been here for years are pretty much settled in their way of trading, not too many interesting trading threads come out these days. P&R is entertaining, and gives a chance to debate various issues with more or less like minded folks. We might have quite opposite political...

The reason could be because these guns are not traceable. Every attempt to add tracebility to guns is met with fierce oppositoin by gun lobby. Wonder why?

1) Of course they will not. We talking about limiting options for psychos (Virginia Tech is an example, that POS had mental issues). Criminals will be able to buy guns on black markets. Closing gun shows loop hole will make it harder for criminals as well. Criminals mostly act to profit and not...

You may bury your head in a sand like ostrich and deny inevitable, but Captain laid out the reasons why the change will take place. What exact form or shape who knows. And people will not be shooting their elected representatives, many might gnash their teeth and loose sleep over lost toys...

2nd Amendment gives us a right to "keep and bear arms". This is the core value that we all must protect without a doubt. The definition of Arms can be set by the governmental and/or supreme court of the land. I hope that ar15, which is a disguised m16, and its counter parts will not be...

Some or most of the above will pass in one form or another next year. I responded to Lucrum's question. I thought we agreed not to discuss the likelihood of its passage for now.

I absolutely agree with this sentence, "Technology can change, morality can change but the basic nature of human beings does not." I actually heard it for the first time as a kid as a quote from Sigrid Undset novel. I am just advocating a reasonable compromise. We need a right balance...

1) Not a single fire arm sale without background check (this must include gun shows) 2) Ban of semi-automatic rifles 3) Magazines should have no more than 10 bullets 4) Fist permit to own a gun should not be expensive or actually free since the owner will pay for background check. However...

Our country will survive and prosper as long as we change when times change. An ideal used to be burn the witch, Earth is the center of universe and so on. People who, several centuries ago, challenged Church were also called traitors, and they are treated as heroes now. Look at our...