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    ES Volume Leads Price

    The way people who are big traders in a variety of regimes would view this mistaken algorithm. Give a mental look see at the wiz books and new guys on the block like Stevie in Greenwich and some of the older guys using oak desks in Omaha. Look at the privately held grain companies and glance...
  2. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    So lets make a list of the times and patterns that the mistaken algorithm does not address in any way. This is intermediate level also. Here we do a little snow flaking. The mathematics of fractals. It comes down to "and, then" logic, running clocks and some "if and only if stuff"...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    Lets move up to intermediate for this one. Take a look at the mistaken lalgorithm differentiating between a retrace on a trend and a reversal of trend Go back and look at the contrarian poster's comments too. LOL... Here we are sitting on an extreme trending value and we apply the...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    Lets do the whipsaw pattern so p[opular for traders who do not know how to read volume leading price. The algorithm was invented for whipsaws that occur on R and it doe not work at all (quite the opposite) on S. If you are a trader and you could see this on page one of the OP's thread then...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    Dop the volume signals for the following patterns Head and shoulders 6 trades. doubles (bottoms and tops) 4 trades. You are now being introduced to the exit part of the mistaken algorithm. There are lots of linked profitable trades in these more complex patterns. The mistaken...
  6. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    Here is the last of the three paragraphs in the restated mistaken algorithm post. "It is one of the fundamental tenets of ET's officially approved intraday trading method. We must have such leading indicators because we cannot trust price itself in our trading. The leading action of volume...
  7. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    even though we have 7 pattersn left to go and 80 edges to examine, lets glance at the first paragraph that lead to the restatement of the mistaken algorithm. Here it is: "Trader416, I always hesitate to post in a liberal arts forum because the use of technical language always confuses...
  8. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    Take a look at what the fundamental relationship is that exists for several of the market variables. This interrelatedness is very consistent over all markets on any time basis simply because the psychology of the markets comes from human behavior. how to people who trade come into...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    To make up charts to show an algorithmic relationship which is, in fact, true, you can use any chart. Maybe some will be posted. By starting with five or ten common price, volume patterns it will come out to be quite easy to do. Do these three first: FTP SYM pennant FBP...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    Now we can look at the algorithm and see that it has to be made symmetric and that simply means that so far half the algorithm is missing. as it turns out it is better to just junk it and start from scratch. I don't think that the OP can even come close to that. as austin says, most...
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    ES Volume Leads Price

    here is the middle paragraph stating the retated algorithm. "When we say "ES volume leads price", we mean that volume declines before price declines, and that volume rises before price rises. This is most clearly evident at the tick level, but that is not where most of us trade, hence the one...
  12. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    Do yourself a favor and translate the algorithm that was restated and see what would be going on with price as the volume rises and falls rhythmically over time. This would be an idiot's delight for trading purposes. Do the thinking slowly and when you have done enough cycles or half...
  13. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    So here is the story of a person and his thinking that has turned into a belief system. It happens to not be correct and the first chart he posted shows that it is not working. He states the algorithm and it gets some repsonses from several people and a lot of laughs from others who did...
  14. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    The chart is a terrific example of having a mistaken idea about an important concept. There is a consequence of having something very basic screwed up. the person gets to have a belief that prevents him from being able to trade ultimately. What you can look for in posts of people who...
  15. J

    ES Volume Leads Price

    LOL...
  16. J

    How to spot a bogus guru

    austin has a view of the PVT and SCT trading and moreso the fact that posting is done in various threads .... virgin has a view about the efficacy of the performance levels of PVT and SCT..... Both are more or less focus on things that are really other than the methods. austin would...
  17. J

    For all the guys who have winning strategies

    My comments below sort of combine a few things. You are keen on inventing stuff. the colored volume bars. I don't color them but they do follow a convention from the platform. It is above average and the platform designers were sort of lazy. The chart I posted works on lists so no...
  18. J

    For all the guys who have winning strategies

    Here is a simple chart for you. It shows how to trade manually without looking at charts. You just use a list and trade off the list. The simple rules are in the middle and in color.
  19. J

    For all the guys who have winning strategies

    3) When you say V leads P. I am not saying V leads P. You are reading a fact. The fact is: V leads P. You have no choice in this matter. You are looking at what you MUST have in front of your face 24/7 and also when you are trading. Use this fact to tear pages out of books. When you...
  20. J

    For all the guys who have winning strategies

    I parsed your post below in green.
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