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Bruce - I am fully aware that these emails will probably never be sent to me. Geo sent me a PM asking for my phone # so we can discuss this on the phone first. Yeah, ok, sure. I've got nothing better to do on a Sat than discuss this over the phone. I've asked a number of times for these...

Geo, My goal is this - if James is in fact playing me, I am done sharing over there. It's that simple. I don't care about the Zoo and I'm done with that. I just want to know if I am being played. That's it. As for my integrity and honesty, I promise you this - I have one simple PM that...

I am also going to direct James to this thread immediately b/c if he is telling me one thing and you another geo, I have no beef with you. I want to know if he's just playing each of us or is someone lying. Again, I have nothing to lose and have no problem asking James to explain what's going...

OK, guess I came to the party a little too late. Geo, don't know who you are and have no desire to read this thread, but I can tell you this - I also have an interesting email from James with his view of the Zoo. If we want, we can compare notes. I don't care. You say you have emails from...

Good point Bogan, but we have yet to see a vendor say this. They are always 'just trying to help' or 'provide some education to newbies' or 'trying to save people from account blowups'... And most of us here realize that this is about the money. It's not about helping or saving people. Perhaps...

hermit - myself and others attempted to ask this question in another thread and I think that thread got deleted or moved per the vendor's request. Don't bother asking b/c you will be given some fluff response when those that actually trade full-time for a living understand what is going on here.

That is an interesting link from someone there. No thanks.

This one gets my vote: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=106188

I would add the 6E/EC and CL contract as well. If momentum is your thing, you may enjoy the CL. You may want to include the DAX and/or STOXX as well for comparison purposes.

nitro - forgive my ignorance, but what are your plans with these systems? I assume it's for trading and as much as I love my toys, I'm not sure where these systems would be used. If it's not for trading, sorry for intruding.

starz, start small until you get a handle on the emotional part of trading. As soon as your real money is on the line, things change. You won't realize it until those losses are real. Just start small, you can always increase later.

So let me get this straight - unless this guy provides specific information that you can verify, you won't believe him. Hmmmm.... That's an interesting idea. Let's try it here - 0t, unless you post some real trading statements from your time in the zoo, we won't believe you. How's...

Completely missed the point again. You want proof. We want proof. The running and hiding by you and the zoo is just old. You claim it's so great yet continue to provide nothing of substance to back this up and then you come on here asking for proof of something else. That's called...

And the irony continues. You want proof, yet when we ask for ANY proof of yours and the zoo's trading successes, the requests continue to go ignored. You want proof yet are unwilling to provide your own. How ironic. :D

What question smarty? You conveniently ignored some of my questions as well, so if you are going to expect answers, as do I.

Ahhh... and therein lies the problem 0t. How do you know none of us have ever been members of the zoo? Did you ever think that those posting here might have been members and are now posting their discontent....

Good points joe. There's so many flaws with places like the Trading Zoo and others it's unreal. If we could rid the board of spammers like 0t, the message would be very clear. As for this Blue character, what a joke! You can't even fight your own fight?! and then you ask your herd to come...

Hey 0t - pay attention dumbass. You quoted me and then referred to the post as it was coming from Bruce. The 'odd' you mention does not make sense. Go get some beauty rest b/c apparently your spamming techniques are not good when you need some sleep.

I don't know Blue or anything about this service, but sure seems like there's great and honest feedback here that resembles many of the other services out there... ala Traders International, Trading Zoo, Felton Trading, etc. Hopefully, this thread will save someone the frustrations and...

And what about Timmy Couch AAA? :D I agree with you 100%. Everything starts with the OL and DL. And we are seeing it here in Cleveland - we actually have a decent OL this year, and just like magic we have a decent RB and QB... And our DL is pathetic and just like that, we give up big...