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It also depends on the volatility of the markets and how well they respect technical levels.

Even ES doesn't have one that expires so far out. Why is that so? Does SPY have the longest expirations?

3x etfs blowing up exciting enough for ya?

If you really think that there is "no risk", then nothing you say is worth listening to.

Soon as in 30 years?

LOSER!!!!!

Hi, It seems that there is additional counter party default risk when it comes to leveraged ETFs due to the use of Credit Swaps. I would like to know myself exactly how risky these ETFs are. If they happen to diverge a bit from their target indexes, that is something I can live with...

Yes, forex is a bit more forgiving for position trades.

Who said you have to risk more to position trade? :confused:

850 to 870 and 85 to 87 is still percentage wise the same difference. I fail to see the leverage. ES allows to leverage more on margin. SPY has the usually stock/ETF margin req. So yes, with ES you can leverage more but the leverage is not in the issue.

forex simply cannot be controlled over the long haul. 3 billion gets absorbed in a matter of seconds....!!!!!

A lot of trader's strategies disappeared in the last few months when the ATR went sky high. Never be so sure. Edges come and go. The question you will be confronted with by potential clients is: what are the risks? I could easily double my money in a week with enough leverage, but the...

You mean SWIM with.... Anyway, what is the difference?

I don't see a record of that RIMM trade.. :confused:

That is obvious. I was talking about the default risk of the actual issue.

You are judging the long term trend by one day's performance? Have you been around for the last year?? Cheap is anything below 10. We are currently at 17!

There are several instruments one can use to trade/invest in the S&P 500. 1) ES/YM 2) SPY 3) Index Funds 4) SSO (leveraged funds) In terms of default (blow up) risk, which one of these is least likely to blow up? I am looking for something (close to) as stable as the major currency...

HAHA! Jim the Kraut!

Actually, for once, he's got a point.

Most people these days are crude, rude and anti-social, so if begin social means conforming to the social code du jour, then those people you consider anti-social are actually quite social.