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Thank you, Dinn. I like your straight forward style to say the least.

Yep, same here.Happy birthday. Hard to have your birthday around Christmas. My father is born on December 30th... Nobody ever thinks about his birthday...LOL

Wow, cool... That's all I wanted to know. Peace.

I don't know what Chillax means, but in my mind "interesting levels" are really mechanical/calculated/automated. I don't know why you want every automated trader to have an excessive message/fill ratio. If you are just doing what I described on a deeply liquid instruments( think treasuries with...

OK, if you want it personal, what do you disagree with? - that by automating on the same frontend as you are doing your manual trading you can submit whatever order you want without being tagged ATS and contingent( a rule that we can't find on CME website, but i still believe you ), and thus...

That would be the first time such an important rule is not clearly written in the exchange regulations. I won't say I took a lot of time this morning but I didn't find it. If someone finds it, please post it here. However, just write your trading system on a front-end in a FIFO friendly...

Yes, but it seems they say ATS are like everybody else for messaging policy( they are subject to same ratios), they don't say they are like everybody else in matching algorithms. This paragraph is about messaging policy. I believe Bone didn't invent it out of the blue. It is the first time I...

On the other side, there is this in the second document: "19. How does the messaging policy apply to ATSs? ATSs are treated like any other market participant and are subject to the messaging policy that applies to all message flow other than that of registered market makers who may be...

Rereading I don't know if they mean "just monitor" or "monitor and act" on message traffic...Whatever...

I did a little research this morning and here is the only thing I found: CME makes it voluntarily unclear if they give priority to manual tag 50 orders or not. Bone must be right: "CME began requiring members utilizing ATS systems to register as such in 2006; NYMEX and COMEX began...

OK. No problem. Where is the rule on CME website that indicates that TAG 50 ATS only submit contingent orders? I can't find it.

Yes I know that. My point is just that the speed at which limit orders are sent to get first in line at a level after it traded , or cancelled when an execution is not desirable ( the tail end Charlie retail sucker fill) suggest those good fills are obtained by ATS, unregistered or even...

y before mail. Impressive.

You are right. All contracts are small( 1 to 4 $ per tick per tick approx. ) , that's why volume is big. And fees are bigger than minimum tick... However it is still impressive.

Market makers only exist on certain instruments like grains, meats, mini-crude... All the rest is supposed to be algo -matched with no special privilege and I have never seen anything that would suggest the contrary.

I didn't know that. Why would a firm register a system ? When you submit an order through a platform, there is no way of knowing it is automated. It would give a platform API user an edge over more sophisticated collocated systems. I doubt most of the "good fills" I see nowadays are obtained by...

I saw him fly once. It's cool but I don't know if it will ever be possible to land or take off ( easier I think )...

LOL...Poor ShahidKhan, For real, why don't you use a real broker like IB,with global access, buying stocks that are sharia compliant with a non margin account? Having an official ( and amateurish like UMEX ) islamic finance broker will cost you an arm...

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Why? Is there pork or something in dividends?