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Shoe: >I'm sorry for misrepresenting the SDA position, You know I take no offense to any representation you wish to make about SDAs. LOL I just want to keep theological points straight. >although I think it is a minor point. I am actually laughing out loud here Shoe. You described...

LOL. No offense taken Doubter. While of course we are all greatly affected by our pasts I like to think that my "aversion to christianity" comes from my years of study AFTER I left the cult environment in which I was raised. JB

Just so everyone knows, Shoe's example is NOT the SDA version. I know this because every relative I have, coming and going for generations on both sides of the family are SDA -- well, except for those few of us who have strayed. :-) Both of my brother-in-laws plus many other relatives are SDA...

Shoe on biblical hell: >There is a deliberate silence... A: Let's say there IS silence (there isn't) -- the evidence to support that this silence is "deliberate" is what? B: The references in the word of god to hell as a fiery place are available repeatedly in BOTH the old and new...

With a bit more time I just HAVE to revisit this post. Doubter: >It could well be that He foresees the end of the universe >in a ball of fire and the only safe place is under His >protection. Who knows. The bible repeatedly and clearly states (Rev. 19 for example) that the final...

Shoe: >And, guys, if the Seventh Day Adventists are right >about hell, then many of the standard objections to >hell vaporize. I'm sorry Shoe, I've heard you say that before and I just have to call you out on it. The only significant difference between the SDA version of hell and...

Doubter: >That little thing is part of the consequences. Uhhh...EXACTLY. The "consequence" of living a respectful, helpful life is to be murdered by vengeful, mass murdering lord -- simply because I won't tow his line and call him a Loving Father. Word it however you want...it doesn't...

Doubter: >If you don't want to be near God then He will >honor your desire and not force Himself on you. >And that seems fair to me. It was a nice little post, but it conveniently left out this little thing called hell. JB

Jem: >As an athiest apparently you and turok belive it is >valid argument to say I disagree and not even >support your assertions. I'll repeat, once the statement that you posted is given context, reason and support of it's own I'll be happy to respond. Until then I will only say that...

Jem: >It was Bertram Russell the atheist who once said, "Unless >you assume the existence of God, then the purpose and >meaning of life is irrelevant." Me: >One man's opinion and it sure as hell doesn't match mine. Jem: >Yeah but russell was a very prominent thinker. And I >think...

Hello Doubter. Sorry for the delay in response. I'll happily go with your posted definition of murder and move forward. It's hard to find more innocent individuals in the world than the children and unless you don't study the bible we both know that the all for one, one for all holy...

Dark, I'm back from my trip and I'll now try to answer your questions. To the first question I have to say that I am not intimately familiar with Judaism like I am christian theology so I don't know. I'll have to study that. You ask several questions related to "evil/bad". I will answer...

You must read the thread and pay attention if you ever plan to be of any help. JB

Jem: >It was Bertram Russell the atheist who once >said, "Unless you assume the existence of God, >then the purpose and meaning of life is irrelevant." One man's opinion and it sure as hell doesn't match mine. >Which then leads you to the power theory. Well, perhaps that is where...

The "quick knee jerk reaction" after PH was the Doolittle raid on Tokyo. This raid did nothing more than say to the Japanese people that "yes, we too can hit your shores...don't get too comfortable". The Nukes were still years away. JB

DUDE!!!! Your neurotransmitters went freakin' AWOL. Must have been the second hand high from all the incense. Too many late night movies and XBOX for you. Pull yourself together. JB PS. Are you a theist? If not I apologize for my outburst.

Mav: >Can you believe they execute people in Russia >on the spot for coming up a dollar short in taxes. True. Weeeeell, it didn't take long for the fabulous "Mav Facts" list to get a new entry. So, let's see, we have: Satellites that look up at mountains. Fish don't die of natural...

Your rules sound great aphie. Good luck. JB

Doubter and Dark, I know you have ask a couple direct questions of me and I just wanted to let you know that I will eventually answer. I am swamped at the moment and headed out of town on a plane for my usual weekend game. I'll get back to you when I can. JB

When you make that market, I'll take the same size as Mav. Ain't gonna happen. I *would* be for some sort of manditory national service program. I think it would be great for the country and would even step up myself to support it. JB