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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    There are a wide variety of ways that psychological denial can be expressed by a person who is unconsciously defending or protecting themselves from unwanted knowledge, thoughts, or feelings. What follows is a partial list of denial strategies. Human ingenuity being what it is, I couldn't...
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    Every video is full of lies. This has been proven in court. I have given examples. A good rebuttal to what I post would be court cases that back your claims. That's why I copy/paste - to type a rebuttal for every single one would take forever. If you CHOOSE to believe they're truthful...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    "The federal government can’t tax 'free sovereign citizens.' " This argument is somewhat incomprehensible. It posits that people who are born and live in the United States are somehow not citizens of it, but have some sort of free-floating “sovereignty” that protects them from any...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    07-14-07 02:04 PM No it makes my family immigrants. Here's a hint - Lutheran Lutheranism is a major branch of Protestant Christianity which follows the teachings of the sixteenth-century German reformer Martin Luther. Take another guess....
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    "The Office of Management and Budget does not require any form for the income tax imposed by section 1 of the Internal Revenue Code, or identifies section 1 of the Code as applying only to nonresident aliens." More nonsense. The actual facts are these: Under the Paperwork Reduction Act...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    LOGICAL FALLACIES Substantive fallacies are fallacies that rely on an implied but not expressed general premise, but which are false when scrutinized. They include: Ad hominem is responding to an argument by attacking your opponent rather than addressing the argument itself.
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Sec 2 of Cryer's deals wholly with who is liable to pay Anti-tax zealots sometimes lay great stress on the fact that the income tax laws don’t expressly state who is “liable” for the payment of income taxes. The tax protestor will point out that with regard to certain other taxes—the...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    2nd fallacy is that the IRS can't tell anyone where the law is. Here it is- Many tax protestors claim that they have sent the IRS letters or petitions demanding to be shown the laws that require them to pay taxes. They say that they've asked the IRS what law requires people to pay taxes...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Ok, first fallacy by Cryer says that there is no law. here it is.... If handed the IRC, start with line item number 5. Article 1, Section 8, of the United States Constitution, provides that Congress has the power to tax. Congress makes laws, and ultimately delegates the enforcement...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Ok, so let me get this straight. YOU copy/paste a video where the speaker never gives sources to form his/her opinion and that's ok with you. But I copy/paste without giving the link and you judge it to be unreliable, even though it gives fairly thorough rundowns on the case that the author's...
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    Copying/pasting is a good thing. It relieves me from having to type all the time. PS - I type like shit.... :D :D Ok, tell you what, I'll rewatch the Cryer video and debunk his points one by one. Oh, but I'm on iggy now. Forget it then. :)
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    No, I watched that one too. So where do you want me to start the debunking? You can decide..... Why do you need a link? Debunk what is stated there with facts, not opinion and I'll listen..... Btw - shut the fuck up and name calling are prime examples of this: "Affect Storm" or...
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    I believe this is the old case that Russo was talking about and that the lawyer says deosn't apply. It doesn't apply cuz the 16th A overrode the prior decision. Income Tax Myths "Income tax is unconstitutional because the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation." The...
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    Let me ask, do you or I get to decide what 'from whatever source derived' means or does the court decide what that means? And if there has never been a sucessful challenge to the law as a defense, what are your conclusions? Remember, NO defendant has ever won the criminal case on the basis...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    I watched Cryer's video. And Marcy's video. And Russo's video. They're all just a rehash of the same thing, and all full of inaccuracies. Tell you what, instead of me responding directly to each wrong statement in any of these, pick the one that you believe makes the strongest argument and we...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Care to hear a little debunking on your videos? take your pick on where you want to start. I believe Russo, Schiff, etc use these to avoid paying taxes. Again, none have ever won a civil case, but they have won the criminal case. Shoot, even Cryer seems to be having emotional issues, and...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Ha ha ha ha.... Fully developed into a flame war..... Simple Denial The most obvious strategy is simple, or outright, denial. This is the basic technique of maintaining that something is true/not true despite all evidence to the contrary. It is usually encapsulated in slick slogans that...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    I believe the 16th Am says something like " income from whatever source derived" . This has been interpreted to mean everyone. The problem is that the deniers don't agree, based on their beliefs of something else, based on what they want to hear, balh, blah, blah. Here's the table for a...
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Although without researching what you're asking, I believe that only those with a taxable income below a certain minimum are excluded from paying a tax. I have no idea what that minimum is..... Yet. :D
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    Do we have to pay income tax?

    Sure, why not....
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