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And it is that which I am contesting. I do not see anywhere Harold Morowitz and guys like him using these numbers anyway - let alone as scientific fact. I do however see guys like James Coppedge making bogus suppositions and assumptions around massive numbers and odds against, which are then...

I do not think 'the science community' would describe conditions as "a firestorm of unimaginable intensity" , that would fit more to a description of conditions when the Earth itself was forming.....scorched earth might be more appropriate. However that is me being a little picky...

OK to get this clear. 1. It is scientific fact that DNA/RNA enzyme self-replicating proteins exist 2. The "Prebiotic soup experiment" has nothing to do with demonstrting self-replicating proteins replicate That has already been established. To then go on and try to reproduce what...

Just where in his paper DID Morowitz say this ?? Morowitz's Energy Flow in Biology was a work which established a fact to do with the effects of maximized entropy on a chemical system and had nothing to do with the odds against life origination. Harold Morowitz: It is always possible to...

dark... a charming and inspiring piece of biblical enlightenment, perhaps one theists would choose as particularly suitable for a nation's children at the breakfast table :D

Your "fact" does not read sensibly. Cells as far back as 3.5 billion years OK but... "These 300 million years were a period of intense bombardment ¨ ?? what does that mean ? It looks like it is YOU who is in disarray here. Do you mean to suggest during the 3.5 billion years when life was...

Science / astrophysics / Cosmology has great benefits over theism as a reason for things, by having its theories and conclusions based upon sound and observable substantial evidence. Big Bang is one such substantial theory. To say cosmology is therefore based only on a "faith" in the same way...

hey darkhorse, good to see you again. Thanks for the clarification. I did feel that maybe there was a more subtle angle to your truly flying analogy than that which I read from it, your response confirms I wasn't wrong. :) I understand you are saying (may I put it in these terms) there...

The implication of what you say appears to suggest that people must first always and unreservedly believe in God after which the risk and reward can be appraised. Using your analogy, in order that you may truely fly - first jump off the cliff, against integrity and all the available...

I would like to make this clear shoeshineboy , if you hadn't gathered this by now, I actually read the words you post and I respond to the words you post. I try not to read something extra into them and attempt to extract their intention only by what you write. So in the hope of...

shoeshine, thanks for your response :) 1. My question obviously did not transmit itself as the rhetorical one I intended it to be. My intention was to convey the moon was not germane to the discussion about earth's 1st (primitive) atmosphere or earth's 2nd atmosphere. 2. When you use "we"...

This is all very nice but just what are you trying to do? There is no evidence that after a 1st atmosphere was dispersed - the sun's light was blocked from the earth by a second atmosphere - which then cleared - to let the sun's light reach earth - which is what you want - to somehow...

shoeshineboy, (1)God made everything in one go and at one time flash./ Snap -OR- (2) God made everything...over time - 6 days exactly –OR- (3) between 6 days and billions of years.-OR- (4) billions of years What you are saying is... it is #(3).... between 6 days and billions of...

If that is what Moses is saying then Moses isn't saying anything that a preschooler couldn't make up. That the water (rain) of the sky is separate from the water of the earth, is so obvious it doesn't even need to be considered as enlightened thinking. And shoeshine, that is not a water cycle...

It does not help one bit,. it makes little sense. I would remind you the topic here is a stable water cycle.! (1:7) Vaya'as Elokim et-harakia vayavdel bein hamayim asher mitachat larakia uvein hamayim asher me'al larakia vayehi-chen. God made the canopy, and divided the waters which were...

I have seen no evidence by science which supports "an atmosphere with intense interplanetary debris" Science suggests Solar winds (not a lunar event! What’s a lunar event?? ) are thought to have probably blown away an early or 'primitive' atmosphere (Tauri phase). This "atmosphere" was...

Post # 666 What are the odds 1^ .000005432100000000000000 against :D

shoeshineboy, Here you are acknowledging physicists using science in an attempt to find truth. Let's do that and let's cover some items in a search for truth..... Starting with this.... (1:1) Bereishit bara Elokim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz. In the begining God created the heavens...

You may have a point there aphex, the theists viewpoint does seem mainly ego driven when one reads some of their posts. I've learned over the past year or so who among the ET family is genuinely interested in clean, mind expanding chit-chat and who is trying to wave their dick around saying...

oops...I am late for class, but if you are becomming a little more of an honest thesist shoeshine, I do think you must still reconsider your Genesis... This 'weird' you talk of may well be something to do with the way you make such categorical statements: as... exact sequence and matches...