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ddunbar, thanks for your explanations. Right, so are you saying God can or cannot exist because no cogent argument can be made? Nevertheless regardless of that, it will still have no bearing at all on whether God or not. Only existence will do that. And in the context you put forward, God is a...

Whether I do or not, your question presupposes existence of concept and human mind.

1. "God is --- " God is existing as greater than existence !?.. but still, again that would require existence as the primary condition. 2. "God can --- " defines God. But you can't define God into existence. I can define a leprechaun but I can't actually make it exist by defining it...

"existence that is " presupposes existence

"God is " presupposes existence.

Ok, so you seem to be agreeing with me, Existence rocks....completely! Of course you may define God anyway you like, but you cannot define God into existence. It won't be your definitions which permit God to exist, as you have already confirmed. The only thing which will allow God-or anything...

No. I said I don't like to define any statement as "absolute" . Is this the only way you can defend your argument by making up meanings to people's replies other than what they actually say? What can't you understand that gets you so mixed up that way? You are at least one line off the...

How much more contradictory are you going to get? Right, repeating a story gives it credence how exactly? like this.... So no matter how much Nazi repeat their story - repeating their story doesn't give it credence.

No I do not agree Aapex. All evidence which exists has existence. It is the form or quality that all things which exist have. That you or I do not know what all the evidence is - is inconsequential to existence. That evidence just as God , must nevertheless depend and include the quality...

Which part of 'everything which exists presupposes existence' isn't clear.? When stating "God exists" you are presupposing existence already exists. God therefore obviously cannot exist without existence. Existence must exist otherwise God cannot.

Aapex you are all over the place. It's simple really. Because something isn't proven not to exist, does not therefore mean it must exist. Can you really not understand that? Because God is not scientifically proven not to exist , does not mean God exists. Of course I accept you cannot prove...

bsmeter, Can you explain just how you managed to conclude this... Quote bsmeter " since scientists can't measure gluons independently, they must not exist. As you commented: " from this.... Quote stu ".........you presuppose Existence for those things first, and therefore Existence...

© 2006 Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. All Rights Reserved. Aapex. The text you posted above is copyright, you should really acknowledge that when you cut and paste that way It is nevertheless nothing more than another religious apologists skirting around the place - science...

Oh!, how COULD you! As far as animal telepathy, he could have argued that point more convincingly. Ii is a fact the cat next door has it. Do you know, EVERY time it gets close to the back porch, it mind controls the little flap in the door and it always opens. Hey maybe it is something to do...

You are getting stuff mixed up.That is your quote, not mine. What exactly scared you off so quick?

In that case you have repeatedly mislead yourself. Jumping to conclusions based upon incorrect assumptions you could easily check out, is not in my view, the best way to understand anything much. My definition of existence is not -somethings- at all. You cannot define things into...

wha.. use hair gel to wipe ass !? ...so use hemorrhoid cream for hairdressing? won't that make ears shrink?

In-between "existence and non-existence" what is that exactly ? Something either exists or does not. When you try to describe something as "in-between existence and non-existence", it is rather obvious it would exist there , so it could not be "in-between". Were god to exist, god would have...

You are correct Aapex and there is no such thing as pure Christianity either. The Bible DOES condone murder in the name of God. But then, that's religion for you.

misread the thread title, thought it said Slimming in the name of God - a sort of what would Jesus eat kind of thing.