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Reasonable enough to presume it is your 'wounding' as you seem to have so much to say on the subject and were the one to first mention it , only after saying you were sorry about what you thought were my feelings. Are you so angry because these threads highlight just how religion might not...

That's ok ZZz, now it's generally known you were 'damaged' in the way you have inadvertantly admitted, it explaines why you get so angry and lash out with insults rather than conversation. Time should heal.

ok I accept your apology. So you were 'wounded', thought as much, you are angry about it . ok.

....yes so, why if you have no problem with my position are you offensive, abusive and prefer to make personal attacks in response to my posts, as you have yet again above, rather than conduct civil discourse ?

ZZzzz why are you always so very angry about my position on these things. All you ever seem to be able to do is make abusive remarks and personal attacks in response to anything I post. Is this some sort of passing the blame for your own resentment piss and vigor onto me in order to try and...

Good post archimedes. Possibly the best thing an atheist can do is kick the crutch away. Ex-crutch users usually discover they don't indeed have a bum leg, finding great benefit and fulfillment when a foot also wakes up, enabling use of all their integrity which standing on both feet provides...

Yep sounds a good idea - take God out. If we get all that shit with it in, imagine how much better things could be with it out.

Your statement is factually incorrect. ...and Newton "discovered" gravity. He didn't talk to it.

Your statement is factually incorrect.

God is the common means by which adults can keep an imaginary friend without having to remind themselves it's at best childish and at worst psychotic to be talking to something invisible. I can testify that Santa does actually exist. Many years ago, I saw Him in mommy's bedroom playing...

steve - it's to be hoped bsmeter is only red lining his bullshit meter dials to recalibrate them. Surely no one can be that dumb?

But the inhibiting of one's own ability to accept something by simply refusing resolutely the possibility of holding a different point of view, is hardly conducive to a better understanding of the world, is it.

That might be fine were religion only personal, but it isn't. Religion, God, Jesus, even Allah these days, lobbies Government and religion is funded by government. Religion is political. Religion is institutionalized. Anything which is any of those should in my view be under constant scrutiny...

Once you conceive a being to which no greater being can be conceived, like it or not, you will also conceive of something with a limitation ie: You will demote God as being the greatest conceived being, simply by conceiving It. Yet another thing God cannot do. It cannot be greater. God...

OT lkh, out of order..sorry.

well, a legend still exists, now that's a fact. I'm filling up... after all these years....darky, come to daddy :D:) crumps, if AXEMAN! Daniel_M and RS7 turn up I might start believing there really is a G...nah.

I don't want to pick you up word for word on every point, as I think the core of what is being argued might be more to the point, but can you explain what you mean by this : Now I don't see how you can support a position where you say one minute how something can't be done, only to then say...

I don't agree it does any such thing ddunbar. I can. I'm doing it now. However it is not existence I am imagining. You just said I couldn't imagine something now you say I just have.. But anyhow, existence is something which God needs to exist. Where do I say it is greater? You did...

So Aapex your point is? All you seem to be doing is agree (again). Proposing God, presupposes existence. God does not exist unless you presuppose - the "state or act of existing" - Existence. Examining the evidence for God presupposes God exists. It's a big jump at this stage, but I'm in...

When you say existence has a minimum , a beginning , aren't you actually referring to specific objects or things which have beginning, rather than existence itself ? My argument is that God needs existence to exist. For whenever you propose something exists, you must presume existence is...