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No removal or demand of the kind you describe was mentioned. Not having one thing, doesn't require another thing must take its place. Neither thing, it can be argued, would be the better option.

Then I should have been more careful in detail. The "you" in that regard, was reference to those theists , who like evangelicals, do demand a right to an already institutionalized religion remaining and further being increased. However, it is somewhat excusable as demonstrated here where...

Thanks for the indirect compliment. I try to wtite nice stuff for Zzz to copy.

From the remarks you have made it is abundantly clear you would not be one of the reasonable bunch you describe. Most "ET theists" as you call them are crude, insulting and self-contradictory. A few are not and I have been pleased to hold civil conversation and debate with them. That post of...

don't make me laugh. You'll need every atheist you can find as the moooslims breed. The only ones capable of standing between two lots of wizbrained godbots will be the ones who don't need to put up with all that bullcrap.

If free choice is free will, simply answer this. You have two choices which you can freely choose. Free choice yes? But there is a third choice you can't have. You want to choose it, but you cannot. You still have free choice between the two choices yes? Your will is to have the 3...

Nearly convinced but not really sure... It matters why if knowing would enable a devastating response against the enemy. It matters more, who attacked us doesn't it?. Unless lashing out at the larger group they blend with is more appealing. Something called radical islam is not who. What...

jem says : "Free choice is virtually the same as free will." stu says: "Virtually the same? Like every woman is virtually pregnant until she conceives?" jem says :"Notice STU did not address the fact that his argument was totally and completely shut down by the Thesaurus." stu says...

zz always resorts to childish trolling flaming and absurdity whenever he has no argument left. You jem refuse and ignore the very definitions and context you demand and resort to insult and abuse because you have no argument left But both of you do those things for the same reason. The...

Your posts and that statement is what is intellectually dishonest jem. You often scream for context and so I have described how neither free will nor free choice are free in essence, in practice or in religion. Now you don't want religious context in a thread about religion. Your only...

It's a bit sad you can't think past dictionary definition jem. You will need free choice to have free will. That is when they would equate. I offered reason why no choice is free in the true sense and why most are not free in practical terms. The freedom religion offers between two...

jem, there are 2 words. Free and choice. The choice IS NOT free. No choice really is. Look if you want to continue this, start a separate thread and I will join you(we will prob be the only ones who read it except of course for zz'ds trolling.) Let's not wreck lkh's thread any further.

emphasis mine: American Heritage Dictionary - free will n. noun 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine...

So you say, indeed, "close as you can come without being the same". What is so funny about this is you do actually agree it IS NOT the same, and at the same time seem to think you have some special pleading to argue it IS the same. For the "purpose of this argument" it is the equivalent...

Ok jem, shall we test that, see if it is what I am doing. Or could it be.... perhaps... in the confusion of your own argument.... the nah nah malady is yours, but think you can blame me for it... Let's look at the post record. You used Thesaurus for all the meanings and simile's for...

In your dreams

about 4 pages previous and HERE!!! ...Just what's so 'not obvious' in living for the sake of life alone? It may suggest that to you, then back it up. However it does not suggest that to me. How can you know??. But anyway, no need. No free will, no predestination. Reason for living.. the...

I am arguing free will is not constrained. A will constrained is not free, is it. How strange. You take and grant that "absurd point" of complete knowledge and the power to use it to something called God. Stranger still , because of that "absurd point" you take things to, the something...

I notice jem, you still cannot conduct an argument without including insult. But I have at least improved your understanding to a degree, as now you can spell and therefore use the world 'cite' correctly and spell weltanschauung. There you see TM, there is purpose in life. Well, the last...

I explained a couple of purposes which you are still ignoring