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I tell you what. As I am the only one who knows what my true will is, you go first and I'll let you know my answer after that. Do us all a favor. On your way to heaven, keep your "dream" hand clenched tight round any "dream" nut you like . That way the pot of pure bullshite you are stuck in...

Erm well , on one greedy little hand you say "you are everything" and on the other greedy little hand you say "If you want to see something else, you must first desire something else.If you want to see Heaven, you must desire it. Faith will follow...then vision." So why when one is...

and when you have "reached God", just + 1.... to "reach Gilbert" :) stu

..... those few words should be enough to redline any intelligently designed bullshit gauge

You've paid for ex. Ohh how could you!!

This is what I read, followed by my explanation of it... I read what you wrote. Your "persist" point is clearly in two parts. I chose what I considered the more pertinent at that juncture. I covered the former point later on. So on what grounds do you now consider I should cease the...

A perfect demonstration from the reactions of the troll as described

Thanks for confirming my point

In response to your 2 things ddunbar 1. Do you really think it reasonable I should desist from my proposition as you suggest, only because you have shown comment from others which you state disagrees with me? Even when I explain where the comments are inconsistent with my position - I should...

...if you could please include the price of fish in your response to that Iam, it would at least offer the semblance of something real. thanks stu

All this goes to show the difficulty and reluctance some people have in unloading preconceptions and prejudices, in order to consider only the straightforward original description and usage of a word. So ok before anyone says it I have my predjudices , everyone does. However my argument...

So your argument essentially boils down to... a word can only mean what the common face value at the time has it to mean (even when there are many) - offer no other significance in context even to its etymological root - and it must agree with one common usage you choose it to have...

Thank you for that part which comes across at least to me as one of your more reasoned and measured responses. You detailed why you hold the meaning you do. I detailed on many occasions, why I put forward a differing one. Do you see? The erudite atheists you quote have many and...

I would say this is a more approriate description in relation to its Greek root.... ... an atheist would simply be someone without a belief in God, not necessarily someone who believes that God does or does not exist. According to its Greek roots, atheism is also a neutral view, characterized...

My theist remark came toward the end of the exchange and I stand by it. It appears to me the only reason why your responses changed from measured and reasonable to childish and belligerent. You find it "freaky, man." that atheists don't agree with me. Do you find it "freaky, man." that...

Sort of like making up things which aren't true because you are a chronic troll who has no real arguments of your own which are not either absurd or doggedly defending an extremist personal belief.

Although we fundamentally disagree on such matters, I do find many of your posts on these themes to be usually well balanced and reasonable. This time, in my opinion, you have offered fair appraisal with some good advice to jem covering the unreasonable behavior he often resorts to in the...

and your response to that is..... Cripes jem You can't even read a direct statement from its source without mis-interpreting it. How the hell are you ever going to read properly, nevermind understand, what Susskind is saying.

jes, if you can see Gilbert, you're the one with the "difficulty". stu :D

All you have done is to substitute one word in the place of another. Here, anyone can do that "One word: Gilbert" Easy Face it dude , the reality is you're just one great big hippy.:D stu