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Nik, Not sure its pride I feel. Kudos from EvaZzzer I imagine would be like the double whammy of being handed a 3 dollar bill by a counterfeiter.

Yes I refute that remark entirely and I don't believe you are being honest when you say "Darwinists" use it. You are totally discredited at this stage. It is seen how you make up any statement yourself and then attribute it to "Darwinists" or scientists. You take partitial text which...

Tele, You have everything there from the acknowledgement of purpose, to talks of special purpose, to ID'erss in biologists' clothing shouting no purpose. Miscovery Destitute's ID/Creationism Archives must be so full of confused out of context text snippets and disconnected articles...

We have more than sufficient hard and soft factual evidence of the speghetti monster. No need to rely on blind faith when it comes to Him and His noodleness.

Don’t make me laugh. As if I thought there was even half a chance of you holding civil conversation . With a track record like yours of flaming, abuse , insult , absurdity and trolling against anyone and everyone.. You must be joking I’ll give you the shortcut. Don’t bother...

can you explain how you make that stretch (without hurling insults if possible)?

You'll have to properly define what a "leading Darwinist" means on your planet first. Things evolving to adapt and to survive is hardly purposeless. The process of evolution of which purpose is survival? That's hardly purposeless. So you don't like that purpose. Possibly it is not...

Yours isn't the same message. It's just another different fantasy story on a theme. First though, I would have to recognize Jack and the Beanstalk story as true. That's because the Jesus fables, yours and others, are even more far fetched.

we are comparing notes , right? :) I agree. Posing a question does not necessarily mean the questioner is making any presuppositions. I think it's fair to say though, I have referred only to the question making a presupposition, not you. Correct me if that's wrong. To pose a question for...

Look 2cents , I assure you, I am not being argumentative, which I gather from the tone of your posts to me you think I am.. This is not to do with the last word, not on my behalf anyways. God is no more presupposed than science... come on 2c, are you sure? You see, I understood you want to...

"Did God Create Science? " presupposes God. 2cents. Did Gilbert create science? presupposes Gilbert... But ok let's move on. :)

I'd better be careful,, if you seem a little sensitive the way things are put.... I did not say infinity+1 2cents. I said God+1. That's the point. Whatever God is said to be. But if God is only infinity ,then perhaps you should be clear and call iinfinity by its name - infinity and...

touche :):p

jem, its a message board. I interject, people interject, you have interjected, even without call many times before in other threads. It's what happens. Take your own advice and go back and see that for yourself , if you like. I interjected and included your quote so you could see where my...

why is that offensive? Giving my opinion that a meaningless concept is meaningless is being offensive Why 2cents.? Taking meaninglessness too seriously perhaps? His opinion I respect but his statement is meaningless, is my opinion You could respect that. Not admonish me for giving it.

no and didn't slip thro 2cents, .the devil Satan created Darwinism and all that Evilution. Your question presupposes God. That's ok but when God is presupposed then so is Gilbert. Then the question did Gilbert create science is equally valid.. Also in presupposing God there is no...

Right, God is just a meaningless concept then, like an non existent transcendental spike on the chart of eternity. woo dude..

ok then let's examine what you said .. again. False assertion. Here's why. Telling someone what they will consider is/is not purpose , belongs right there in the ID'ers dank fetid cellar of worn out broken arguments. You don't like the purpose found by scientific enquiry so you assert...

Your inference is clearly stated that a mud puddle is not designed. Obviously any difficulty of understanding is by yourself on what you have said yourself. Fly posting stuff embedded with more ridiculous errors like the ones you've made, doesn't do much to help you find any basis for...

I know you like to pretend that anyone who doesn't lap up church "teaching" in the way you do, must have suffered some hurt or other. That illustrates I think precisely the 'ultimate conceit' of some believers like yourself which Thunderdog's OP addresses Consumed in that conceit, you...