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That is the declared modus operandi of ID /creationism. Create controversy and then argue it. Create strawmen hoping the wizard of Oz may show. Tele uses it, then deceitfully pretends he represents a different kind of ID. After that, TrollZzz will only serve to purposely muddy the puddle.

Very ironic... "and they worked as if thats what they naturally did." So then, to summarize what you are suggesting... 1. F1-ATPase is a machine 2. prima facie interpretation - All Machines are [intelligently] designed 3. therefore F1-ATPase is [intelligently] designed then, 1. MP-1...

They say... lunatic asylums usually have 3 Jesus resident at any one time

What is he saying ? ...No billions of universes explanation minus any other explanation equals no explanation Some place in there you see intelligent design ??

No, it has caused you to say, nobel prize winners acknowledge the argument for design is real. Anyway, tt is Intelligent design being discussed here. If you want to argue design, the world is full of design by natural process going on all around. So why would you want to make it all...

. . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as...

You cannot dictate to the Central Wingnut Command of the Discovery Institute, what ID will be to do with. Central control and headquarters for the Intelligent Design movement IS the Discovery Institute. They do not agree with your definition. The Discovery Institute , the center for ID...

Philosophical debates occur in all sorts of communities jem, So?

I doubt Behe or Dembski or the Discovery Institute as a whole would be at all impressed with your self attributed ability.. So indeed you are on the fringe, a sect ( how many members?...1? ) outside the mainstream ID /creationist movement. A more appropriate title for your thread...

There's a fine line between being in denial and being a liar. The ID aim quite clearly is to invoke all those things you list. Discovery Institute , hub of the ID movement, states in its "wedge" manifesto, its aims and goals omnipotent Creator: "...the theistic understanding that...

I agree with that dictionary definition of creationism. My argument is, definition 1. and 2. does accurately describe Intelligent Design . There are numerous documents published by the so called 'Discovery' Institute of which you collect most of your cut & paste from to represent your...

Really, this phony ID discrimination farrago is surely doing Guillermo Gonzalez's future career no good. He surely can't be thanking you for it. Many people get denied tenure for all sorts of reasons. Many far more worthy than Gonzalez. By all accounts his record was pretty abysmal by...

I don't see you making any headway with the (non)Discovery Institute's discrimination propaganda. It makes no difference. Guillermo Gonzalez's track record did not impress any of the faculty, AND he had no grant funding. They who make the decisions have every right to evaluate who would...

Absent evidence, therefore you make a conclusion. Logical fallacy at its finest. We have more than ideas on how non-intelligent forces enabled non-complex organisms to evolve over billions of years into complex ones. You are looking down the telescope from the wrong end. Don't you mean...

.... that remains irrelevant. There was consensus from the President of Iowa State University AND the Tenured Department Faculty, AND the Department Chair, AND the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, AND the Dean of Liberal Arts and Sciences, AND the executive Vice President and Provost...

.... or result of just more natural process

The Chronicle of Higher Education records: Gonzalez had no major grants during his seven years at ISU had published no significant research during that time had only one graduate student finish a dissertation Gregory Geoffroy, President of Iowa State University states: that he...

ID = Creationism simply because Wikipedia Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." It is a modern form of the traditional teleological...

All completely irrelevant. The faculty gave numerous reasons for not accepting Gonzalez, all of them justifiable and to do with ordinary standards required of all applicants. Gonzales failed, just as so many others have, because he did not reach the mark. If he had failed to get in...

Real reasons why Guillermo Gonzalez didn't get a job. " 'The University has issued a FAQ concerning the situation saying that 'The consensus of the tenured department faculty, the department chair, the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the dean of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and the...