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Let me suggest you do not see why it is hard for others to accept the absurd and ridiculous proposals your bible puts forward , because having been attacked by calvanism, your rationality has short circuited . In those circumstances, what you propose may seem sensible to you , but only because...

Don't apologize.:) I only noticed it and underlined it to help. Fair enough Cache. But I think it was always clear, comparing notes is not what I was doing. Of course not, I have already said as much to rcanfiel before you mentioned it here. I just do not think it is all that good or healthy...

"Spiritually made in God's image". I ask again, what do you mean to say by the word spiritually? How are you interpreting Genesis 1 here? Inserting words to make another meaning? "spiritually".. Is it - man is sort of made , emotionally maginary,... religiously made? It doesn't deal with...

um yes it does sound preposterous. We are not literally created in the likeness of an invisible sky daddy . No and no, unless you think make-believe can be literally factual. Well, there was a character called Christ in a story and from there on, one can interpret to one's heart's content.

Thanks for the explanation. I accept the notion of repetition here , although a collection of tales brought together clumsily would also fit the bill. Obviously God was intending to pass the word whilst being at Its most lucid, telling the same story at least twice each in contradiction to...

So how come you tweeze? Worse still. You tweeze out of an interpretation of Geneses to support a position you favor, when actually... Gen 1 :28-30 has man created in God's image on the 5th day Gen 2 : 5-8 & Gen 2:21-23 (rather contradictorily) has man formed from dust by God after the...

yep JB, it went woosh ok. It has to otherwise the noise of religious crutches breaking might be deafening. I simply notice though how just one 'God given' thing called rationality, paradoxically, is enough to transform blind beliefs into pantomime.

..shame dude. Some fell on stony ground.

What you describe right there would make God irrelevant, not the arguments for or against It.

So it's just one christian arguing their form of christianity is christian, whilst another christian argues it isn't. One Truth out of many Truths believes they are the only Truth, because they interptet the same folk lore differently. Tantamount to a Cinderella supporter and King Arthur...

Fair comment JB, but isn't it private up and until the Gov't are involved? The US gummit produce the cert and carry out a flag fly for the Eagle Scout on behalf of all Americans and representing The People. That is not private ...is it?. The principle of separation has already been violated...

Indeed. For instance were a gov't agency to inscribe the word God on the currency, say something like "In God We Trust" Such would be endorsing the possibility of a positive relationship between church and state. Of course that is an extreme example and something that unconstitutional would...

Then quite frankly, let Coco the clown do the investigating. You will achieve more of a result .

In your 1st scenario you have conditions where "teleological causation" fails 100% of the time. strike1. So you shifted to a 2nd scenario where you have conditions of "teleological causation" unconditionally stated as being categorically correct . ' Who would be able to discover the...

what was it you couldn't understand about this...? Still working with the simplistic impression that because intelligence can undertake bio-engineering, then all life will be bio-engineered. So microbes which do not need any seeding from scientists to form, develop or evolve, suddenly require...

And there will be those on that planet like Tele, who will never deal with the blindingly obvious which ID consistently ignores. Still working with the simplistic impression that because intelligence can undertake bio-engineering, then all life will be bio-engineered. So microbes which do not...

If that were the case, don't you think someone and someone's intelligence would likewise be needed to design the creator? That someone would too need someone and someone's intelligence to design Itself. Those ID infinite regress turtles are forever showing up.

Your argument for intelligent design is nothing to do with specific provable instances of design you mention here. Yours is to argue that things which evidentially do not necessitate intelligent design right down to the nth degree, must still need intelligent design. No I don't think your...

If my argument is silly it is only because it is structured exactly the same as yours. It exemplifies your own argument for ID. If mine is silly tele, then I'm afraid yours was silly first. How does fairy design differ from human-like design?, The very nature of Fairy Design is that you...

First it is "teleological causation" .... Then it isn't.... You now have this "teleological causation" as only sometimes correct. as against the actual cause which will be correct 100% of the time. In this scenario it only requires accidental or natural death and your "teleological...