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That was not the problem I was alluding to,...neverthless You say the Designer need not be defined, then you go straight ahead and define It. That hurdle is not going to be overcome by stepping around it. Then on top of that there is the "Designer problem"

It sounds as if you are the one being stumped.. Design is everywhere. On the other hand Intelligent Design causes very serious Designer problems which you constantly ignore. That's a pretty good thing to come up with. Better than the ID no proof and no evidence approach. I suspect Fairies...

Even though the ID 'er lives with design , a designer, and designers every day , as we all do ,. along with mountains of scientific evidence in support of design, the designer and the designers, the ID'er will deny them all. Not just for one "entire day", but continuously . They must...

I think it would be fair to say after reading one of your soliloquies, there will invariably be only one conclusion to arrive at and it’s nothing to do with technology.

"Pops out" . Over nearly 4 billion years? What on earth is your definition of a long time ? Just how do you come to use that measure anyway shoe.? The same notion could suggest man with a brain will seem quite embarrassing compared to himself , never mind an IT subsystem, after another 4...

WTF… Ah, just another TrollZzz moribund analogy. This time Divinity Drunk is trying to blind a Judge with pseudo science to wiggle his way out of a mess. Sounds familiar, Divinity Drunk will be an ID'ist then. The Judge uses technology to show Divinity Drunk that technology was...

Hi shoe Why bizarre ? What is it that would be so conspicuously unconventional about the Universe to make it bizarre? I mean, how do you judge such an 'accident' to be bizarre in the first place, when there is nothing comparable to suggest it is so. What accepted rules or standards is...

you therefore assert intelligent design is required therefore intelligent design not required and as for mud puddles... you say they too are not intelligently designed. So you now have Cells on a par with mud puddles as far as the need for an intelligent design(er) goes.

By your definition a description it is then, not the literal machines you want. ATP synthase is a nucleotide. It is derived from nucleic acids. It is a chemical reaction. That is to say there are basic substances, not yet in the form of your "molecular machines" being changed into other...

How is that? Say one side of the coin for divinity, one isn't and the rim represents terra incognita .That would not be either or situation. However, unlike the information already known about coins, it is not even known if the rim being looked at from under the table is the part of...

... ahh yes, the good old - bishops' stick and carrot approach.

gawsh jem, I certainly do seem to rattle your cage. What are you so interminably angry about? The thing about The Scientific Method which persistently evades you is , it doesn't matter what high priests of science assert, it's what they prove scientifically which actually counts. You...

Apologists for ID had their play but have been roundly discredited from court house to science lab, from bona fide research institute to college council. What at first glance may sound plausible, turns out puerile, often childish but always simplistic controversial argument, wrapped up in...

You ARE joking? Repeated chemical reaction , constantly recurring processes, producing an enzyme over and over, is not reproducing? How about explaining the way a Buick L-8 engine block and all its parts biochemically reproduces that way in order to show the comparison is literal as you...

Then by that very definition, ' coined the term ' is not literal and molecular machine is a figure of speech. Biological processes you compare to - motors or machines known to be designed - cannot be literal as you state.. For one thing, the motors humans design do not make copies...

Then by those same standards, it is a straightforward matter to be equally rational and hold a logically inferred notion that the Earth is flat . That can be successfully achieved by simply looking out to the horizon from a tall building. The specific method of science employs logic and...

" the Designer" What Designer ?

...you do not seem able to understand... I am not a hippy so whatever it is you are trying to say or explain, hippy bullshit speak isn't doing it. you know stuff like " And the Word was misspelled and became 'flesh' " .... is bullshit. Can you really not understand that dude? hello?

Quote from stu: Over exuberant and extravagant nonsensical use of truisms mangled into sentences, also known as Bullshit. It defines what you are doing. The world is " a veritable fallen tower of bullshit...." as far as you and other hippies like you , for instance , use over exuberant...

.....like Bullshit was misspelled and became "I am Jesus"