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I understand Surf. Really, I do. You view makes sense from where you sit.

Sorry, didn't mean to be snappy. I just don't understand why someone who name drops and walks with the highest echelons on finance can not trade well and has learned little from all these titans he claims to know. He then makes accusations of snake oil, discounts offers to put up audited...

You give that cat too much credit. He can just as easily take the code for the ergodics and the settings you have freely given and use his eyes. Any platform will do it. You have gone out of your way to accommodate the mediocre work ethic so many people have. Hell, you just gave away to some...

Im not. You just said that you would reject an audited statement of performance. You want the source code for the performance. Do you really think you are going to find someone that stupid ?? Prof puts his stuff out there for....I don't know really. But he is a trader that has a much much...

I've gone out of my way to be polite to Surf, but that request cannot but put him in the hack category. The nerve!:D I am witness to this Surf, as I was under Prof's advisement when you two met. He has tried to get you to test, he has invited you for tea and trading, he has opened sourced...

Wha? You want my code?????? Seriously????? So, to prove Surf wrong he does not want a statement, he wants a traders algo!:eek: I could have gone to work for JPM or some other corporate thief if I wanted to spend a significant portion of my life writing something only to hand it over:D...

No this was aimed at you, sir. You state that there is no such animal as effective TA. You are incorrect, decisively so. You will of course require statement. Will, say, taking a small account to a large over a period of time suffice? At what point will you say, I stand corrected?

@Surf Do want a certain dollar amount to be proven wrong, or a certain amount of time? When these statements get posted, I mean.

My education cost I would say about 25k over 11 years. Worth every penny of effort and time.

Vic's fatal flaws are pretty well documented, and I am sure many more are undocumented. Talent is always difficult to work with professionally, but they can be the greatest of people away from what they do. Kudos for your straight-forward and honest views, however flaws I think they may be.

Surf, I apparently phrased this improperly. Be aware that I am not piling on, I am asking this with the greatest of respect. If I had a personal friend who traded under Soros and who has made centimillionaires, I would be counted as one of them for sure. I would do whatever it took to learn...

By mint, I mean give you the tools needed to pull 100 million out of the market. Now as for the rest, we know he is going to eventually give it back, you will have to figure out how to keep it, and I presume that is what you are doing in your evolutionary process now.

No, but I do get the gist that the game is rigged. They get the initial thrust, we get the wasted motion, it is enuf at the retail level if you remember the Zurich Axioms and bet appropriately.

This begs the question. Are you two not friends enuf for him to mint you as well? Or are you aware that his style may be akin to playing russian roulette? ( Outsider looking in here)

Okay I have read all of Vic's books. So I have a better understanding of what you are attempting to do, but Vic has blown two funds. If you come from the Livermore school of longevity, okay then, but what Vic does seems to catch up to him eventually. It is he that led me investigate trading...

Ah yes, Bill Williams:D He takes a 5/34/5 MACD and breaks it into two parts. He then takes 3 DMAs to determine trend. His flaw is that he gets in late, so he invented something called angulation, which was arbitrary. Distance from a MA can be defined tho, and can be useful.

So I would like to more clearly frame your assertion. Are you saying that there are NO static TA systems that work? If so, I can agree to a degree because data input will alter the waveforms that TA produces, and the trader must know what to do when certain waveforms develop. Otherwise, I would...

BTW, don't look now, but there appears to be another budding "guru" at ET, her name is NoDoji, and she is beginning to get quite a following, she posts charts, clearly explains her trades, and does not charge a dime. Clearly, teaching traders for free is what must be the criterion for a guru, as...

@Surf, thank you. This really helps your readers. I am beginning to believe that we have an issue with semantics here. If you speak of averaging in based on an extended timeframe (which is not a bad idea, actually), then you must be using some sort of price/time matrix to determine what defines...

Gabriel, you are Insane.