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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Nitro, here you go: You run PTP connections. This means you are high-speed trading. This also means you have a really fast machine. Let's say newer hardware dual or quad and can do super number crunching. Great. What is the sleep to wake time on your Kernel? Do you know? :D
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    "And by the way, I resent Nitro dismissing this thread as silliness. I think it is the mark of arrogance to dismiss, as silly, that which one doesn't understand. I think we all profit when we try to understand other viewpoints, even if they might be wrong, rather than belittle other viewpoints."...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Here's an interesting question: I know that Genesis likes to come on Elite and announce their ping times to all of the ECN's with regards to line latency. Good for them. Atleast their heart is in the right place. What if a broker actually came onto Elite Trader and gave real stats that...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    My machines are co-located as close to the data as physically possible. My different algorithms do everything they can to be at the "top of the pile". I know there are alot of people in my boat. We have been successful for years and continue to be. That has only been possible because we have...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Well sir, That time in the equities market is an eternity. I think the old days with Redi and Arca "Old Fix" engine was 1000% better than those times. Execution times in milliseconds is not a waste of time. Maybe for you and your trading, which is fine. Brokers look at a client like...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    To clarify one thing: I believe my current broker has a very fast API. I believe it is 95% acceptable to this current market. My past experiences throughout the years have seen slow API's. My current broker just does not seem to understand hardware and the proper operating system to use...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    I think that this discussion does not apply to any users who trade through the internet. I'm talking about people who need the data and need it fast. I wouldn't be in business if I traded through the internet. The RH7 is not introducing a 1 ms delay to the feed servers....it's much more...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    ".... or you could just accept the fact that this is part of playing the game and figure out an advantageous way (for you) to deal with it. That's what entreprenurialism is all about. Maybe even start your own broker and then let the market decide if it agrees with you." No offense, but...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Thanks for the post Nitro, First off, none of this discussion has anything to do with Internet latency. Everything I discussed is internal to the broker. Yes, alot of brokers write their API correctly, but I 100% guarantee that the way they are running that very fast API through say a...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    With regards to latency: I have spoken to them all. I have requested stats from most of them. They all come back the same. Some stronger in one area, but weaker in others. Some are co-located better than others. Others give you execution reports on the latency through their API. They are...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    I cannot do that. I am currently trading with the broker I used as an example (and alot of you may be as well) and it wouldn't be fair seeing how, in my opinion and based on my experience; every other one out there is in the same boat with regards to where they are with latency and where they...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Interesting question. Well, if the broker was existing, I imagine the process would be as follows: 1. Examine the current set up (From api software, feed software, all hardware and all network components). 2. Take detailed latency measurements of all existing equipment as is when we...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    The apparent reality here is that EVERY person who trades an automated system is experiencing these issues. Some are making money at a certain level and do not question, remaining content. Others struggle on a daily basis. 95% of the streets automated traders have no clue and simply "trust"...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    JimRockford, I agree with you 100%. To boot: Most programmers do not dare (nor do they know how) to achieve these performance results. In some cases, they are afraid of sticking their necks out there just in case it fails and its their head on a platter. They are with firms that are solid...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Payless shoes can work just fine if you know how to walk in them correctly. :)
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    To address the earlier post related to a firm not authorizing addition capacity: Usually capacity is not the issue. The issues usually resides around what people do with what they have to work with. The answer is usually what they consider "best" performance. It's 99.9% crap. Brokers: Step...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Let me add to that last post: Hundreds of clients that are automated hook to that server right now. All are blind to the truth. Pretty eye opening huh?
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Good post and I agree. I just believe that if someone stepped up to the plate and broke the mold of this industry, others will only have to follow in order to survive. I wants latency issues to be in MY lap and up to ME to figure out because nothing else is in my way except myself. Here...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    The smallest firm that could truly do away with these latencies would win critical mass in the area of high speed. This is because once clients started loosing money, or not "making" as much as they used to", they would hunt for the best again. The larger firms have the ability to do this, but...
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    Why is it that ALL brokers do not understand true latency?

    Venture capitalists? I wish they would listen. I know that my group could take care of the latency end better than anyone else. The rest, that's someone elses expertise. But there we go again. Who listens?
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