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Well I'm glad you know what I know better than I do. Actually, you are dead wrong. I have doubts that there is anything responsible for the order in the universe, and I consider myself a permanent agnostic. I am not some person searching to "figure it out." Rather, I know that I will never know...

In the context that you are describing this, and ONLY that context, this is not a true comparison. You made an educated guess on what your child would say. No, your wife still made a decision, and your wife can still change her mind. These are not the same as a creator KNOWING what will...

It is likely, as you suggest, that NO attribute of God would be comprehensible. However, it could be that some attributes (however small) are comprehensible, while others are not. You are seeing a contradiction where there isn't any. Most of the objective universe is incomprehensible to us, but...

Yes, if a God exists, it would be largely incomprehensible, or a "garbled creature" as you put it. You're starting to get it! I'm sorry if this is the first that you've considered that the universe, whether or not there is even a God, is for the most part vastly beyond our comprehension (we can...

I didn't say that because a being exists beyond our rational facutlies that it MUST be infinite. I have said that if there were an infinite and omnipotent being it could and would lie beyond our rational faculties.

3) Why????? Makes no sense. 4) This being very well can exist outside OUR realm of reason. Math and science have proven over and over that their foundations are made up of unprovable assumptions and even some contradictions. Dragons and fairies are very knowable creatures that humans have...

It would only be circular reasoning if he used the above claim to try to prove that God MUST exist, but not if he merely used it to assert that God CAN exist.

Extremely good way of explaining it. I was going to work my way to trying to explain that if a God exists, and if it is omniscient, then to describe what God "knows" about "our futures" is to define God (which inherently limits God) by our standards of space, time and "knowing." The first two...

God wouldn't have to directly interfere, in the terms that we are discussing this, because he created us and, if God knows what we will do, it would mean that we were programmed to do what we do. Thus, we have no choice. The Star Trek example was wrong because those people are making educated...

this is actually very true, and an important reason why free will and "omniscient" may not be mutually exclusive.

I can hold up a cause or principle as being very noble. It doesn't mean that I will always represent it well. This does not defeat the cause, let alone a "God." Either God exists or God doesn't. God's existence is not dependent on whether this guy jokes about pissing on someone's fries because...

True, except it depends how far you want to go with "truth." The fact is, science and math are based on unprovable assumptions and foundations, and even modern physics demonstrates that we must often use parts of contradictory models to explain many basic things in the universe because...

I think you accidently mistated this. If you say that free will and omniscient are mutually exclusive it means you are saying that you can only have one or the other. I don't think this is what you mean to say. I have to admit though, I do think they might be mutually exclusive. This is because...

ASSUMING that we have free will, and assuming that someone else can't come up with a good argument as to how we could have free will while God would know what our futures hold, then yes, the potential of God's virtual omnipotence would be limited only by God's inability to know what its...

Fine, then assuming that we do actually have free will, then if a God exists, it COULD be virtually omnipotent to the extent that its virtual omniscience would be limited by not knowing what the beings it created will do with their free wills. better??

ummmmm ok. I have to admit that I don't concern myself too much with what bothers Christians/very religious people relating to notions that might contradict their books.

Fine, let's say if a God exists, and if this God is otherwise omniscient (but is still omnipotent-I think I've inadventently switched the two a couple times), then it knows everything except what creatures it created are going to do with their free will. So this God is free will away from being...

Not only this, but for that matter I have made many posts arguing with theists who have gone too far as well pushing as fact what is not or arguing the validity of evolution, etc.

yes, I have, except for some (most actually) of T-Dolt's cut and pastes.

I don't know what properties God, if a God exists, has. All that I have argued, which I think is meaningful in a 250 page debate where many people on each side have pushed faulty absolutes is that the concept of an omniscient being IS POSSIBLE! You say logic is all encompassing. Math is the...