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There are already many knowledgable participants in the Python newsgroup who help ensure that the discussion is factual. I'm posting here to share information with people working on similar types of applications that I am, some of whom are apparently not as knowledgable. I apologize that I was...

That's just childish. I use Python for ease of development and its excellent community support for scientific computation. I haven't regretted the decision for a moment. Does that mean I shouldn't discuss its flaws? Martin

Congratulations. Did you encounter significant speed up on SMP? Thought not. Search for "python global interpreter lock" on Google Groups, you'll see that it confirms precisely what the "threading clowns" are telling you. The first hit...

You didn't get anywhere with your last ad hominim criticism, so you're trying a new one? Sorry, I won't bite. Go fish somewhere else. Martin

<i>People argue ad nauseum over these topics continuously, then typically when they get to point of actually deciding the best solution they start bringing up "limitations" which may have no real bearing on the system being built .....</i> You must have missed where I described exactly how...

Nor is it mine. So, why were you telling me to put my money where my mouth is? I'm posting my opinions just like you are. Martin

Trust me, I have. But this isn't a journal last I checked. And you've been ranting about how great Google is for months without posting an entry that I can remember. Martin

Hey Mav, You were the one saying Google had a monopoly on information, worth $1200/share, releasing $200 PCs, right? You'll pardon me if I take your prognostications with a grain of salt. I have no idea where GOOG opens tomorrow, but their momentum has been broken and all the stock had...

Basically obvious? Almost everyone in this discussion made mistakes and had to revise their opinion, myself included. Threading is subtle. Earlier in this discussion you wrote... "The difference between a hack and a software engineer is that the engineer knows the limits of their design: they...

I just looked into IronPython in more detail and you might be right. Sorry about that, I assumed it was layering the existing interpreter on a different thread model. Martin

Hey prt, If you're not interested, because your application doesn't need threads, then why not just go away? Some people do care about performance on multiprocessors, which is why we talk about it. Martin

Just catching up on this thread. Lots of misunderstandings to clear up. dcraig is absolutely right. Threading is important and the interpreter lock does hurt Python's ability to scale on shared memory multiprocessors. Such architectures are the future of computing, even for commodity...

Yes, I read it, it is a competent overview. You, however, did not even read my post. Read again. Read for comprehension, not just looking for something to disagree with. Then tell me whether you still think I'm wrong and why, and we can have a discussion. Martin

What do you mean by speed? Choice of language is dictated by the relative cost of execution time versus development & maintainence time. If you're writing code used by millions of people, or if a microsecond can cost you thousands of dollars, by all means write C code. If you're like me...

Kinda hard to value an option without calculus. Martin

Yeah right, and that's why oil futures are in contango out through 2007? Incidentally a year and a half ago, crude futures were deeply backwardated. At that point traders really did think that oil price levels were temporary. Does that mean that the stock market wasn't fixated on oil in...

I repeat: the only way to make a bull case for Google's stock is to invent new and nonsensical business models for them. :) Martin

If the Internet has taught us anything, it is that information becomes more useful the less control is exerted over it. Far from being a monopoly, Google thrives on creating value by lowering barriers to information. Google's competitive advantage is quite literally the opposite of monopoly...

So, you are actually claiming that Google has a monopoly on information? I just wanted to double check before I waste any more time on your silliness. Martin

In 2005 maybe. He's well over $1B in the black on his dollar short since 2001. How quickly we forget... Martin