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A handful of Zangers who are profitably year in and year out? There will always be those who are a product of randomness, and others, who have proven consistency, that are a product of skill. I guess the real question isn't what MY edge is, but is there ANY edge at all? Does an edge exist? I...

I don't think you are being hard at all, its a good question. But I don't think i quite follow. There are plenty of good traders out there. I know Zanger is supposed to be doing well. What is their edge, besides following charts and cutting losses?

You would have to close out your positions at the close. Can swing daily or intraday, not necissarily scalping for pennies, definitely not on the deal i have. Also, once everybody has a bot, wouldn't the bots lose their edge? Giving the edge back to real traders?

Do you mean scalping? Or trading stocks period? If its over, whats everone here at ET doing? What about swing, which is more what I am doing. Just curious, thanks.

What do you mean?

Ok the firm is Echo and payout is 90% for option 1, 99% for option 2. Again, i know there are better deals out there, probably always will be, but as a beginner, the most important thing to me right now is learning the craft, so as long as the deal isn't TOO bad, I am ok with it. So, is it...

jtnet, So i guess you would consider mine middle of the pack? Thats ok for me I guess. A "really good deal" isn't the most important thing to me right now, since I am just beginning, as long as I'm not being ripped off. Which I doubt they would since they are reputable. After I become more...

Again, guys, I know the first deal is better for a beginner. I guess I worded my question wrong, I wasn't actually asking which of the two I should take. Both these deals are from the same firm offering me a choice. My question was how these deals stack up against the "norm", or other firms...

I agree, especially if i chose the $440 option, which I wont at first. However I was just wondering if this type of deal was common/comparable with other firms, or just normal deals for a new trader. Is it a good, bad or just standard deal?

And to clarify, I am not asking which one of the two I should take. I am wondering if either of them is fair compared to other deals from different firms in my same situation. As for the two deals, I would definitely take the first deal at first until my volume is higher. Thanks.

What is a good deal for a NEW trader? I have not traded prop before and this is the deal a reputable firm gave me, is it fair? A choice of 0.007 cents $2500 deposit $65/month data feed/software 90% payout OR 0.005 cents $5000 deposit $440/month data feed/software 99% payout...

I am looking for a good, reputable prop firm with a good training program. I have sent out my resume to a bunch and so far Avatar Trading has called back. Before I accept I would like to hear your opinion of this firm, and if it isn't good, what are some good ones? Thanks.