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You make the assumption that you get the signal first and then enter your trade. Well, I suppose that you can do that but you run the risk of missing some winning fills and being filled everytime on the losing trades. On the other hand you can preempt the market and enter your stops into...

On the subject of the pre open. All I do is watch the pre open on the T&S (>99 filter) and the screen. If it is a crap shoot as has been suggested , then this morning was a busy crap shoot and I was in good company on the bid. But then I dont hold any opinion of the market at any time...

fair enough!

I am not. I am talking about the pre open. The 10:00 turn is a different subject, but porge is right. The attack swung onto the bid at 10:10

Yes pre open is very important. The clue lay in the 9.15 touch of yes high and the subsequent build up on the ask.

You must be one happy camper b1s1

Just been cruising over the NQ ... frisky little devil, seems to love volatility expansion. Quite different to ES. I will bait a little trap for the bugger tomorrow and see what happens.

well done

Thank you SE How many points would you expect to see in an intraday morning session leg on reasonable volume? 2-3 pts 3-5 pts etc etc

Interesting call

Have I got this correct for the NQ 0.25 point = $5.00

Thanks BM. Do you care to expand your thoughts on this subject.

You would send me a PM

Thank you to you all. So far I have gained a great deal from this thread so far. Having had my ass handed to me in a sling some years ago by believing the ES trend was my friend, I cobbled together an effective way of fading the beast by front running the money and rolling when I get it...

Many here swear by the NQ over ES. I would be interested to read what is their reasoning and what are the advantages. Since I have never traded the NQ, I hold no opinion.

Pity, I am always open to ideas and I know many traders swear by it.

exactly chauncey 1 It is like try to grab a circle by it's end. Everyone will have an opinion on how it is done, despite the fact that they have never done it.

That is very helpful BB. A little expansion will not go astray, otherwise your comment is consigned to the bleachers.

Do they offer hindsight brokerage? I have always found this to be the stumbling block, otherwise I would be placing my MOO at market close every day.

Hi SE, What are your reasons for NQ over ES