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While He may be "driven & disciplined", He is also insolent, dogmatic, and frequently irrational, particularly for someone with LESS than 2 years experience and unprofitable to date (by His own standards). He dismisses dottom out of hand only on the basis of his p&l, but we are to accept His...

One way to begin would be not to attempt to define the entire market "product set", although that would be a very very interesting endeavor, but to model a particular successful trader(s). Make explicit what it is that he does and in what particular circumstances he does it, and, perhaps even...

dottom, I am in complete agreement with you, I was attempting to illustrate the very same argument in the post to which you replied. Market "intuition" is a learned skill set culled from experience, not an arcane "sixth sense" emerging from the deep recesses of the mind. It includes...

dottom & sabena, It doesn't really matter what the outcome is to your little contest. Nothing will be proven. The argument stands on its own merit and is irrefutable~~~ MORE CLARITY [mechanistic approach] IS SUPERIOR to LESS CLARITY [touchy-feely intuitive approach]! It is a...

Rigal, I agree with you. But in place of this vague sense of pattern recognition, would it not be more fruitful to identify the specific variables that trigger these "feelings", ie that make up this market "intuition", and examine them for validity and utility? In this way, you would have an...

"inclined" to codification, no magna, i demand it as would any rational being. Personally, mine is a work in progress, but one worth striving for. What amazes me is not that most do not have their trading codified, but that they don't even see the need or the logical inconsistency when...

....and that reason is...... "Intuition" is akin to getting wet everytime you go out into the rain. After a few good soakings, now you're "intuition" tells you stay indoors. It's a learned response.... Such it is as with trading.......

You know the interesting thing about "intuition" is that it by definition requires the trader to bring something extra to the trade that is more than the sum of trading data. I think it also must follow that this "intuition", if it really has a separate and distinct existence as many here...

"Look at it another way. Tony Oz is a very good trader. How many people following Tony's techniques are not profitable? They would be if they could exactly follow the mechanical encapsulation of Tony's method. If the system cannot be fully modeled it is not the fault of systems trading, it is...

STOCKBROKER, You'll go in tomorrow, you just can't stand not to... ;~D

sabena, So 'success' in the market is your operational definition. Ok, when you pick a "loser", or during periods when your loss percentage increases, did your "intuition" leave you?

sabena, How do you know that you have it? What's makes you so sure of it?

candle, you are even more of an enigma than i first suspected. i can't quite figure you out...but i'll keep working on it..lol

Ok sabena, How do you know when you have market "intuition", and when you don't?

candle, I was afraid you were going to say that. Sadly, I must admit we are worlds apart on this one. You see, the supernatural plays very little role in my life. I like to keep my feet planted firmly on the ground and my mind firmly rooted in the rational. FIREHAWK

"It's the same feeling like when you meet a girl for the first time and your "intuition" tells that she is the one. That same feeling I have when I see the right set-up appear..." ~sabena sabena, Do you know what the rate of divorce is? Do you really wish your trading was this...

You make me blush.... :~D I do believe we think alike in may ways, which flatters me, i've been a big fan of your posts for quite some time. One thing does give me pause....what was your point here? "For those of us who do not subscribe to the notion of agnosticism (or indeed one step...

"Intuition is build on experience" ~ sabena You have not answered the question -What is intuition?

You guys keep refering to this "discretionary" input of the human trader. This is nothing more than illdefined vague "feelings" (unsubstantiated, irrational, and subject to disastrous cognitive errors) that a trader superimposes upon the more explicit parts of his system. "Discretion" is not...

Hitman, Your reference to things being "far more than the sum of their parts" speaks volumes. What is the nature of this trading intuition of yours? Where does it come from? Beginning traders use their intuition, its all they have, but invariably they fail miserably. Why? Obviously...