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    Iterative Refinement

    First, my profound apologies for leaving in middle of conversation, such are the vagaries of life:) To answer your question: the 11:14 YM bar showed IBV, also an outside bar with IBGS and closed outside the lateral movement of the prior 20 minutes. I feel embarassed :( The honest to...
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    Iterative Refinement

    I could just cry. I've looked for Guavaman's original post/chart and it appears ET just keeps deleting all kinds of stuff. So, I'm having a most difficult time trying to recall the date/time/bar of the prior scenario so I can do the comparisons. If anyone happens to recall I'd appreciate...
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    Iterative Refinement

    With all the PV talk the past few weeks I thought maybe I was beginning to "get it". Apparently not. On the attached chart, please note the red triangles. That bar achieved IBV as an inside bar. The higher volume could not move price higher in what was then a dominant move in an up channel...
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    dbphoenix Journal's

    It appears as though you removed every attachment from Spydertrader's Futures thread which is only a year old and which many, many people appear to be using as a learning tool.
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    Unable to attach files

    Not on all threads.... http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83604&perpage=6&pagenumber=102 Most attachments don't show in this thread and others.
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    Iterative Refinement

    I hope this isn't OT. I'm reviewing the Futures Journal and it appears as though all the file attachments are missing, including all the charts, etc. Any idea if this is an ET problem or my problem? THank you.
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    Iterative Refinement

    Oops, I just realized I did it again- switched resolution on my gaussians. Just wanted to point it out for anyone trying to learn from the posted charts. Don't use mine! :)
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    Iterative Refinement

    Here is today's work. Starting to see stuff earlier if I keep my brain out of the equation. Please note the red triangle. I'm tickled pink to report that I could actually see the pace accelerate upwards before the bar became "outside". Some of these things I've seen for a long time, but...
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    Iterative Refinement

    I see this clearly. As bar 9 forms, the ES is almost entirely contained within the range of the prior bar. For a brief moment the ES declined below the prior bar, then moved back into bar 8's range. This gave permission to view YM again. Shortly upon bar 10's open, the YM clearly went IRV and...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Not sure if this is the sort of thing you had in mind, but I gotta give it a shot.... I divide the "facts" into two groups. Group 1) Facts about the mechanics of drawing trend lines, creating a pt3, etc etc. I will assume these 'operational' facts are not the sort of facts you had in mind...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Thank you Mr Black.
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    Iterative Refinement

    Indeed, this is key. Of course, the proper way for an algorithm to "see" the PV relationship at work would be to track price, tick by tick, up and down along with each ticks volume. It's not about volotility (or range) per se, but about distance traveled per unit traded. One could look at this...
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    Iterative Refinement

    In order to better see the PV relationship play out, I invented a little exercisie. I simply went through several days charts, and bar by bar marked each bar that actually had increasing volatility when compared to prior bar along with increasing volume. Likewise for bars with diminishing...
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    Iterative Refinement

    :) Not taken as such. My post was from exactly the point of view of step zero. I have always considered myself a self starter, able to easily figure stuff out on my own ( with a little help from the library usually). In this case I'm just as baffled as can be. Their is a paradox, or superficial...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Yesterday’s quiz and answer on what the pv relationship is fundamentally about really caught me off guard. Ultimately, the correlation between volume pace and price movement is a statistical one (ie, it is quite apparent that the correlation exists, but it is not absolute, it does not hold...
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    Iterative Refinement

    I'm not sure what you're driving at, but if one took the question you posed just a tad more abstractly an answer could be: The PV relationship is a comparison of what price is doing with what volume is doing. Beyond that, I'm stumped. I just reviewd Building Minds, the Jokari doc, and did...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Aha, this has bugged me to the point of migraine! Succesive lower volume non-dom movement can't all be change, change, change, etc. That simply doesn't make logical sense. New Answer: If volume is up, price will contine. If volume is down, price will change. Only problem is, I can't see...
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    Iterative Refinement

    My answer: Price movement on increasing volume indicates the direction of price will continue. Decreasing volume indicates price direction will change.
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    Iterative Refinement

    Thank you R/R for bringing this up. This bit of discussion has me really shaken. I have read the entire futures thread a several times as well as this thread. Over and over, the one consistant refrain has been: "the one thing you don't want to see is increasing volume going against your...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Lordy, no apologies necessary :) In the end it seems as if we both had the same analysis, as I was mentally short all the way through bar 19. I guess so long as you get to the right place, how you get there is not drastically critical. Thank you again for critiquing.
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