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i am all over the place. i prop traded for 10 years in my past life. i am not worried about being profitable because i never had a problem with that. i know who i am and i am not a big time roller. that's my edge knowing that. i looking for the right setup for me. i want to keep my account fees...

it was late when i looked at your post but it hit me the next day what you were saying.

good i was looking at lightspeed too.

i am more of a nyse stock person so i don't focus on rebate trading but i see what your trying to say. i always paid per share but if i wanted to rebate trade i might be flipping stock on 7 dollar tickets.

this is information i want to hear. whats your problems with it. does it lose orders or not execute?

i don't disagree execution is number one with me. any firm i sign up with i would only do with full rebates. also commission is important to me too. i don't need to give away money if i don't have too. IB is .05 and the other firm is .039 that i know. If IB gave me that rate there would be no...

that makes sense. i am talking retail where you put up 25k and you can day trade if you want. i think price is always important IB is .05 per share and speed trader is .039 per share for stocks but thats all i know. i am curious about the charting software's, if the system's crashes a lot, and...

i am lost what are you trying to say? i am asking about the good and bad of all of them. speed trader has lower rates so i am curious if anybody is using them.

i would love to hear anything about these retail firms. if you know anything good or bad please share?

what do you like about lightspeed? i want to do only retail because i feel your money is protected by the government. are there any account fees or charting software fees? you ever use IB or speedtrader? i ask about speedtrader because i hear they have cheaper rates.

going years back what your asking for was out there. i remember putting nothing down and getting $5 on a 1000 with 500k bp on 100% payout. your really not offering a stranger value in volume to make someone offer you that deal. i would look for a small group looking to make an extra 1k a month...

i don't think what your looking for exist but i wish you luck.

i never did +100k in a year but to be profitable is not that difficult. i think anyone who has 5 straight years doing +100k day trading in this market is a great trader. they would of been millionaires if they traded 15 years ago with that skill. i met a few people who made millions but can't...

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you keep looking to argue a fact your wrong about into the ground. i am sorry i can put up at least 25k and day trade privately. i can't deal with this moron anymore i give up.

you should not keep using the word real traders because most prop traders are not even profitable. i would agree though prop is for leverage.

another jerk what do i not know? i traded prop for along time. there is nothing special about trading prop for most small traders. you have to pay more fees when your prop. the best thing about prop shops were bullets and the low rates. the rates at IB are not bad for a little trader in this...

i took the 7 15 years ago. i would bet only 10% of traders at prop shops have more than 500k bp. if you put 25k down at a prop shop see how long it takes to get it back. if you put it at IB as a customer the government backs it and you can have it back anytime. there were tons of prop shops in...

if you have 25k open an account with IB and no 7 needed. the day trading model is dead for a reason learn to take a small position. bp was very important at one time but this is not the market for it. if you can't come up with 25k don't trade you won't have enough capital for tuition.

its not a crash but its a new economy. you have more people on earth everyday and less people needed in the work force. you have new powerful counties using limited resources. this is a fast moving evolution and the middle class of first world countries will be forced to share the little wealth...